[WG-UMA] Draft minutes of UMA telecon 2012-07-26

Salvatore D'Agostino sal at idmachines.com
Sat Jul 28 09:47:52 EDT 2012

Sorry to miss call.


Eve, Thomas, do you want to schedule call to complete use case task?




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Subject: [WG-UMA] Draft minutes of UMA telecon 2012-07-26




New AI summary

AI: Eve: Look into the current UMA logo's trademark status and how logos
could be used for positively declaring UMA conformance.

Roll call

Quorum was not reached.

Approve minutes of
2012-07-19 meeting

Deferred due to lack of quorum.

AI review



Thomas, Sal, Eve


Capture business-oriented use cases.

Still open. Desperately needs to be done! In fact, we need to translate our
use cases into the chosen design flows. We'd talked about producing an "UMA
for Enterprise" document, and perhaps we should complement it with an "UMA
for Individuals" doc.




Work on Binding Obligations comments.





Work on issue #61 editorial instructions.

In progress.




Propose issue #57 "promissory claims" profile.

This might be layered on top of the OpenID Connect claim profile. In
progress. Domenico has published a diagram showing how claims can be placed
into a taxonomy. Eve suggests refining it to assume that the "requesting
party" is always the AM, since "promissory claims" would be used in




Finally put feature tests on the OSIS wiki.

In progress. Eve's forthcoming OSIS edits will correspond nicely to Thomas's
issue #61 edits. She's had some trouble with the wiki and is getting more
help from Pam. In the meantime, she's writing up machine-readable feature
tests offline.

Discussion re "incubation phase" of UMA

We're rapidly approach the third anniversary of this WG's launch! And
Kantara currently going through an effort to examine how its mission should
be refined. We once again did a compare/contrast exercise on the various
organizations where technical specs can be standardized.

Does UMA have "competition" in the space? We believe not, among standards.
There are a number of proprietary and private efforts that seem to have an
"UMA-shaped" problem space, and there's at least some interest among them to
try UMA; among them, there has been some interest in OASIS as an eventual
home (vs. IETF). If speed is important in encouraging adoption and
experimentation, then OASIS as a new home seems to be an attractive
possibility. Also, OASIS is comfortable to European audiences. Kantara's
connection to trust frameworks is an interesting connection for us, and
also, Dazza is working on a new OASIS group that is meant to standardize
trust-framework-style "system rules", which would have worldwide

For now, until we can discuss this in quorum and until we feel compelled to
make a change, once again we'll stick with the status quo.

Binding Obligations next steps

Hasan may be working on a state diagram that reflects these obligations. Eve
will experiment with adding clause annotations to the swimlane diagrams.

Being a "non-certified" UMA participant means that expectations should be
pretty low. Are the Binding Obs a low enough bar? We want to be sure they're
reasonable for "non-certified" deployers. Certification, circles of trust,
and the rest of it would come into play in higher-order contracts (and maybe
even laws).

Does UMA's logo have a trademark? We should resurrect this topic.


As of 12 July 2012 (pre-meeting), quorum is 6 of 11.

1.     Catalano, Domenico

2.     Hardjono, Thomas

3.     Maler, Eve

4.     Mohammed, Alam

Non-voting participants:

.         Hughes, Andrew

.         Lizar, Mark


.         Machulak, Maciej

.         Moren, Lukasz

Next Meetings

.         WG telecon on Thursday, 2 August 2012, at 9am PT (
ur=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&sort=2> time chart)

.         WG telecon on Thursday, 9 August 2012, at 9am PT (
ur=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&sort=2> time chart) - likely Eve regrets


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