[Wg-uma] Reset button :-) Re: URGENT Re: Call for votes: approval of August meeting minutes

Bill Smith Bill.Smith at Sun.COM
Thu Sep 3 11:45:20 PDT 2009


As I recall, this is exactly the type of situation we anticipated when  
establishing the voting rules for Kantara.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Eve Maler wrote:

> Okay, I'm an idiot.  Thanks to Jeff Stollman for pointing out the  
> obvious, right there in Section 6.2: If we get enough ABSTAINs, then  
> we can look solely at the YES/NO ratio for passage.  So I'm not as  
> worried about having to redo this ballot, as long as serial non- 
> attenders speak up now to register ABSTAIN votes at the very least.
>
> (As I said to Jeff: "I need a vacation...")
>
> 	Eve
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:24 AM, Eve Maler wrote:
>
>> We have a way of doing approximately that, by my making some people  
>> non-voting if they haven't attended two consecutive meetings.  In  
>> this case, since I started the ballot with all participants having  
>> voting status, I made the problem harder!  But now I'm better  
>> informed about the rules, and in future will be aggressive about  
>> doing the non-voting trick.  So, my apologies for having done  
>> things non-optimally.
>>
>> For what it's worth, the current tally of YES's on the four ballots  
>> is 10 (or more):
>>
>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/Meetings+and+Minutes
>>
>> 	Eve
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:02 AM, Christian Scholz wrote:
>>
>>> As only the people attending a call can really make a proper  
>>> decision why can't we simply limit the group of people allowed to  
>>> vote for this particular vote to these who have been on the call?
>>>
>>> -- Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 03.09.2009 um 19:45 schrieb Eve Maler:
>>>
>>>> In today's call, we discussed a technicality regarding a specific  
>>>> issue with electronic ballots on minutes approval.  If you  
>>>> weren't at the meeting, how can you vote on whether the minutes  
>>>> accurately reflect what got done?  This is a fair question!
>>>>
>>>> I have confirmed that our tentative interpretation discussed in  
>>>> the meeting is CORRECT according to Section 6.2 of the Operating  
>>>> Procedures:
>>>>
>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/2293776/Kantara+Initiative+Operating+Procedures+_V1.0_+2009-04-03.pdf?version=1
>>>>
>>>> Namely, if you return a ballot indicating that you ABSTAIN on  
>>>> that ballot, it counts towards the minimum response level  
>>>> necessary to consider the ballot valid.
>>>>
>>>> Now, since the meetings corresponding to the minutes we are  
>>>> trying to approve did not reach quorum, if everyone who didn't  
>>>> attend those meetings votes ABSTAIN, we still won't get them  
>>>> accepted, and I may have to redo the ballot later after I change  
>>>> some people's status to non-voting.
>>>>
>>>> It's entirely up to you, but if you weren't present at the  
>>>> meetings in question, but do feel comfortable accepting them as  
>>>> the true record of the group's discussion, you can still vote YES  
>>>> -- as some people have chosen to do already.  I will report on  
>>>> the results and next steps, whatever they are, after the ballot  
>>>> closes tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your attention!
>>>>
>>>> 	Eve
>>>> 	(still trying, but failing, to remove bureaucracy from our  
>>>> group's work :-)
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Sep 2009, at 1:29 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A reminder: Please review the minutes, and please vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that in Kantara, the chair has discretion to manage quorum  
>>>>> requirements in the following way:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/2293776/Kantara+Initiative+Operating+Procedures+_V1.0_+2009-04-03.pdf?version=1
>>>>>
>>>>> From Section 3.7:
>>>>>
>>>>> "All Participants present at a WG meeting are voting members of  
>>>>> the WG.	For the purpose of maintaining a reasonable ability to  
>>>>> achieve Quorum, any Participant in a WG who fails to attend two  
>>>>> consecutive meetings of the WG may, at the discretion of the  
>>>>> Chair, be re-classified as a non-voting member. Voting member  
>>>>> status may be reacquired by attending a meeting of the WG. In  
>>>>> the case of an electronic vote of the WG, if the electronic vote  
>>>>> occurs while a Participant is in non-voting status, the  
>>>>> Participant may not vote in that electronic vote."
>>>>>
>>>>> I may have to resort to this after this ballot closes, if the  
>>>>> response has been very low.  If you want to retain list posting  
>>>>> rights (that is, exercise your right to contribute IP according  
>>>>> to the group participation agreement you filled out) but have no  
>>>>> intention of attending any meetings or voting in electronic  
>>>>> ballots, feel free to let me know offline that you're a serial  
>>>>> non-voter. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Eve
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Aug 2009, at 4:44 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This email contains four ballots for your consideration, all  
>>>>>> dealing with approving the minutes of our first month's worth  
>>>>>> of meetings.  Since we have a large number of group  
>>>>>> participants but not everyone can make it to all of the  
>>>>>> telecons, I urge everyone who is on our roster:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/Participant+Roster
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...to take this opportunity to review the minutes and ensure  
>>>>>> they are in order.  (Note: Anyone who joins the group after  
>>>>>> this mail hits the archives can't vote on these ballots.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each ballot requires a simple majority (15 of 28) to pass.   
>>>>>> Please reply, to the list or to me directly, with your votes;  
>>>>>> if you vote NO in any case, please supply a rationale to  
>>>>>> facilitate resolution.  The deadline is Thursday, 3 Sep 2009,  
>>>>>> 23:59 UTC (4:59pm U.S. Pacific time):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=9&day=3&year=2009&hour=23&min=59&sec=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Do you approve the minutes of UMA telecon 2009-08-06?
>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2009-08-06
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YES or NO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Do you approve the minutes of UMA telecon 2009-08-13?
>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2009-08-13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YES or NO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Do you approve the minutes of UMA telecon 2009-08-20?
>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2009-08-20+%28quorate%29
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YES or NO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Do you approve the minutes of UMA telecon 2009-08-27?
>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2009-08-27+%28focus%29
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YES or NO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Eve
>>>>
>>>> Eve Maler
>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>
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>>
>> Eve Maler
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