[WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

Mark Lizar mark at smartspecies.com
Sun Sep 5 09:11:03 EDT 2010


My Vote is also No.

But I would happy to go with the previous version.

On 5 Sep 2010, at 03:42, Trent Adams wrote:

> All -
>
> Just to be clear... this thread is now out of date with regard to the
> official motion on the table for consideration.
>
> If you want to go with a statement in this thread, please hop over to
> the "Call for Votes" thread and reply with a "no" vote (explaining
> your desire for a different statement).  If there are enough "no"
> votes that pop in quickly enough, we'll know that we need to quickly
> put together another motion with a better statement.
>
> ... otherwise we might miss the opportunity to submit an approved
> statement in time for the IGF.
>
> Thanks,
> Trent
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Kortbæk
> <frederik.kortbak at faelledhaven.telelet.dk> wrote:
>> I second "data subject driven infrastructure" as appropriate.
>> /Frederik
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] På vegne af Bob Pinheiro
>> Sendt: 4. september 2010 02:53
>> Til: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> Emne: Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy  
>> Workshop
>>
>> How about this:
>>
>> Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent design  
>> architectures that
>> secure private information and enable information-sharing in  
>> accordance with
>> the expectations of the user.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 9/3/2010 8:09 PM, Mark Lizar wrote:
>>> I have an issue.
>>>
>>> I buy in to Frederik's point but I dont think its addressed
>>> appropriately from a P3 perspective. It is a difficult one to  
>>> express.
>>>
>>> Maybe this should be changed to more directly address privacy and
>>> usability point that is trying to be made?
>>>
>>> Specifically, I have a problem with the term 'user-driven'.
>>>
>>> I think it looks bad on us to use the term User driven with out
>>> further qualifying it.   Perhaps something else could be used?
>>> (Service User Driven, rights driven architecture, individually  
>>> driven
>>> process, data subject driven infrastructure, etc. ?
>>>
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2010, at 22:05, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Team -
>>>>
>>>> Assuming that there's buy-in to Frederik's point that effective
>>>> privacy
>>>> solutions are tightly coupled with user experience (e.g. including
>>>> setting/achieving expectations), the latest version we have is:
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&  Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>> regulatory, in
>>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do so,  
>>>> the
>>>> P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises, policymakers,
>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent user-
>>>> driven
>>>> design architectures that secure private information and enable
>>>> information-sharing in a privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by
>>>> multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions emerge, be
>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> If this looks like a statement this group can support, I'd like  
>>>> to put
>>>> it into a formal motion.  Unfortunately, while we have received  
>>>> some
>>>> great input over the past couple days, we're quickly approaching  
>>>> the
>>>> deadline for submission.
>>>>
>>>> ... so please consider this a last call before going to vote.  Toss
>>>> out
>>>> any more edits before COB today (Friday).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frederik Kortbæk wrote:
>>>>> Dear Anna,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I see it usability is a result of the innovation process  
>>>>> which is
>>>>> the main issue here. That the customer is the focal point is  
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> new when new products and concepts are developed. But what I am
>>>>> talking about is a systematic and scientific approach in  
>>>>> identifying
>>>>> customer experiences and non-recognised customer needs. It ought  
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> obvious regarding privacy and data protection.  It is not about
>>>>> dictation but about creating trust and confidence in the eco  
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frederik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Fra:* Anna Slomovic [mailto:aslomovic at anakam.com]
>>>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 18:36
>>>>> *Til:* Frederik Kortbæk; 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> *Emne:* RE: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of  
>>>>> Privacy
>>>>> Workshop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frederik,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by “user-driven design
>>>>> architectures”? If you are talking about usability, that’s one  
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> If you are saying that end-users will dictate architecture, I  
>>>>> suspect
>>>>> that in some countries and/or cultures that simply will not  
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any elucidation you can provide.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna Slomovic
>>>>>
>>>>> Chief Privacy Officer
>>>>>
>>>>> Anakam, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1010 N. Glebe Rd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suite 500
>>>>>
>>>>> Arlington, VA 22201
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P: 703.888.4620
>>>>>
>>>>> F: 703.243.7576
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of  
>>>>> *Frederik
>>>>> Kortbæk
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 12:27 PM
>>>>> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of
>>>>> Privacy
>>>>> Workshop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Allow me to suggest that more focus is put on the data subject  
>>>>> with
>>>>> the additional term as shown below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Frederik Kortbæk
>>>>>
>>>>> Dansk privacy netværk
>>>>>
>>>>> www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com
>>>>> <http://www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Danish Biometrics
>>>>>
>>>>> www.dansihbiometrics.org  <http://www.dansihbiometrics.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Fra:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *På vegne af *j  
>>>>> stollman
>>>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 16:14
>>>>> *Til:* Susan Landau
>>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> *Emne:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of  
>>>>> Privacy
>>>>> Workshop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am comfortable with the most current version in this thread with
>>>>> the
>>>>> following additional change.  I would replace the words "continue
>>>>> having" with the word "enhancing."
>>>>>
>>>>> This would yield the following version:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do
>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>>>> *user-driven design*
>>>>> architectures that secure private information and enable
>>>>> information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>>>> will
>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Susan Landau
>>>>> <susan.landau at privacyink.org   
>>>>> <mailto:susan.landau at privacyink.org>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/2/10 4:15 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>> Mark -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with the first two changes, but don't think that the  
>>>>>> use of
>>>>>> "transparently" in the last suggestion fits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get what you're saying, but the following captures the idea  
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> effectively:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy with that.  Thanks Mark and Trent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group  
>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.   
>>>>>> To
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>>>>> architectures that secure
>>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder  
>>>>>> collaboration
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Trent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Lizar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I suggest a changed of 3 words, I have bolded these new words
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - M
>>>>>>> On 2 Sep 2010, at 19:13, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking Susan's input into account, here is the updated  
>>>>>>>> statement
>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> IGF:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group  
>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development  
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>>>> To do
>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with *individuals*, enterprises,
>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and  
>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to *effective* privacy are  
>>>>>>>> architectures
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> *transparently* secure
>>>>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder  
>>>>>>>> collaboration
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there are no further suggestions, I'll circulate this text  
>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>> formal motion in a separate electronic ballot later today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Trent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Susan Landau wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trent,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like the approach, and vote B.   Proposed edits below.  Glad
>>>>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>>>>> doing this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/10 12:54 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that this group would like to take advantage of this
>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to be heard at the IGF, I'd like to propose the
>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>> statement:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group
>>>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open  
>>>>>>>>>> development of
>>>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>>>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet  
>>>>>>>>>> ecosystem.
>>>>> To do
>>>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and  
>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>> solutions.  Privacy is a necessity for healthy online
>>>>> interactions, and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suggest replacing "Privacy ... only" by:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that secure  
>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>> information and
>>>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>>>>>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so that the whole thing now reads:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group  
>>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open  
>>>>>>>>> development of
>>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>>>>> To do
>>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and  
>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that
>>>>>>>>> secure private information and
>>>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.
>>>>>>>>> Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>>>>>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org><mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>>>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>>>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Outreach Specialist, Trust&   Identity
>>>>>>>> Internet Society
>>>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> e)adams at isoc.org  <mailto:adams at isoc.org>
>>>>>>>> o) +1-703-439-2149
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>>>>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org  <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org 
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org  <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org>
>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeff Stollman
>>>>> stollman.j at gmail.com  <mailto:stollman.j at gmail.com>
>>>>> 1 202.683.8699
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>
>>>> Profile:http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/
>>>> LinkedIN:http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams
>>>> Twitter:http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> WG-P3 mailing list
>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WG-P3 mailing list
>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WG-P3 mailing list
>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> J. Trent Adams
> =jtrentadams
>
> Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/
> LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
> _______________________________________________
> WG-P3 mailing list
> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3



More information about the WG-P3 mailing list