[WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

Colin Wallis colin_wallis at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 5 01:14:42 EDT 2010


Thanks Trent

And may I sneak in 'User Centric' as a way to catch a variety of motivations suggested here?

Cheers
Colin 

> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 20:42:39 -0600
> From: jtrentadams at gmail.com
> To: frederik.kortbak at faelledhaven.telelet.dk
> CC: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> Subject: Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop
> 
> All -
> 
> Just to be clear... this thread is now out of date with regard to the
> official motion on the table for consideration.
> 
> If you want to go with a statement in this thread, please hop over to
> the "Call for Votes" thread and reply with a "no" vote (explaining
> your desire for a different statement).  If there are enough "no"
> votes that pop in quickly enough, we'll know that we need to quickly
> put together another motion with a better statement.
> 
> ... otherwise we might miss the opportunity to submit an approved
> statement in time for the IGF.
> 
> Thanks,
> Trent
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Kortbæk
> <frederik.kortbak at faelledhaven.telelet.dk> wrote:
> > I second "data subject driven infrastructure" as appropriate.
> > /Frederik
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> > [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] På vegne af Bob Pinheiro
> > Sendt: 4. september 2010 02:53
> > Til: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> > Emne: Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop
> >
> >  How about this:
> >
> > Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent design architectures that
> > secure private information and enable information-sharing in accordance with
> > the expectations of the user.
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On 9/3/2010 8:09 PM, Mark Lizar wrote:
> >> I have an issue.
> >>
> >> I buy in to Frederik's point but I dont think its addressed
> >> appropriately from a P3 perspective. It is a difficult one to express.
> >>
> >> Maybe this should be changed to more directly address privacy and
> >> usability point that is trying to be made?
> >>
> >> Specifically, I have a problem with the term 'user-driven'.
> >>
> >> I think it looks bad on us to use the term User driven with out
> >> further qualifying it.   Perhaps something else could be used?
> >> (Service User Driven, rights driven architecture, individually driven
> >> process, data subject driven infrastructure, etc. ?
> >>
> >>
> >> - Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3 Sep 2010, at 22:05, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>> Team -
> >>>
> >>> Assuming that there's buy-in to Frederik's point that effective
> >>> privacy
> >>> solutions are tightly coupled with user experience (e.g. including
> >>> setting/achieving expectations), the latest version we have is:
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&  Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> >>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>> regulatory, in
> >>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do so, the
> >>> P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises, policymakers,
> >>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent user-
> >>> driven
> >>> design architectures that secure private information and enable
> >>> information-sharing in a privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by
> >>> multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions emerge, be
> >>> deployed, and maintained.
> >>> -----
> >>>
> >>> If this looks like a statement this group can support, I'd like to put
> >>> it into a formal motion.  Unfortunately, while we have received some
> >>> great input over the past couple days, we're quickly approaching the
> >>> deadline for submission.
> >>>
> >>> ... so please consider this a last call before going to vote.  Toss
> >>> out
> >>> any more edits before COB today (Friday).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again,
> >>> Trent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Frederik Kortbæk wrote:
> >>>> Dear Anna,
> >>>>
> >>>> As I see it usability is a result of the innovation process which is
> >>>> the main issue here. That the customer is the focal point is nothing
> >>>> new when new products and concepts are developed. But what I am
> >>>> talking about is a systematic and scientific approach in identifying
> >>>> customer experiences and non-recognised customer needs. It ought to
> >>>> be
> >>>> obvious regarding privacy and data protection.  It is not about
> >>>> dictation but about creating trust and confidence in the eco system.
> >>>>
> >>>> Frederik
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fra:* Anna Slomovic [mailto:aslomovic at anakam.com]
> >>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 18:36
> >>>> *Til:* Frederik Kortbæk; 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
> >>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> *Emne:* RE: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
> >>>> Workshop
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Frederik,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by “user-driven design
> >>>> architectures”? If you are talking about usability, that’s one thing.
> >>>> If you are saying that end-users will dictate architecture, I suspect
> >>>> that in some countries and/or cultures that simply will not happen.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for any elucidation you can provide.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anna
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anna Slomovic
> >>>>
> >>>> Chief Privacy Officer
> >>>>
> >>>> Anakam, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1010 N. Glebe Rd.
> >>>>
> >>>> Suite 500
> >>>>
> >>>> Arlington, VA 22201
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> P: 703.888.4620
> >>>>
> >>>> F: 703.243.7576
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Frederik
> >>>> Kortbæk
> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 12:27 PM
> >>>> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
> >>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of
> >>>> Privacy
> >>>> Workshop
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Allow me to suggest that more focus is put on the data subject with
> >>>> the additional term as shown below.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kindest regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Frederik Kortbæk
> >>>>
> >>>> Dansk privacy netværk
> >>>>
> >>>> www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com
> >>>> <http://www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Danish Biometrics
> >>>>
> >>>> www.dansihbiometrics.org  <http://www.dansihbiometrics.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fra:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *På vegne af *j stollman
> >>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 16:14
> >>>> *Til:* Susan Landau
> >>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> *Emne:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
> >>>> Workshop
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am comfortable with the most current version in this thread with
> >>>> the
> >>>> following additional change.  I would replace the words "continue
> >>>> having" with the word "enhancing."
> >>>>
> >>>> This would yield the following version:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> >>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>>> regulatory, in
> >>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do
> >>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
> >>>> policymakers,
> >>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
> >>>> *user-driven design*
> >>>> architectures that secure private information and enable
> >>>> information-sharing in a secure,
> >>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
> >>>> will
> >>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Susan Landau
> >>>> <susan.landau at privacyink.org  <mailto:susan.landau at privacyink.org>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/2/10 4:15 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >>>>> Mark -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree with the first two changes, but don't think that the use of
> >>>>> "transparently" in the last suggestion fits.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I get what you're saying, but the following captures the idea more
> >>>>> effectively:
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'm happy with that.  Thanks Mark and Trent.
> >>>>
> >>>> Susan
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> >>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>>>> regulatory, in
> >>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
> >>>> policymakers,
> >>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
> >>>>> architectures that secure
> >>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
> >>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does that work?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Trent
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark Lizar wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>   I suggest a changed of 3 words, I have bolded these new words
> >>>>>> below.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - M
> >>>>>> On 2 Sep 2010, at 19:13, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Taking Susan's input into account, here is the updated statement
> >>>> for the
> >>>>>>> IGF:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> >>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>>> regulatory, in
> >>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
> >>>>>>> To do
> >>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with *individuals*, enterprises,
> >>>>>>> policymakers,
> >>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to *effective* privacy are architectures
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> *transparently* secure
> >>>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
> >>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
> >>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If there are no further suggestions, I'll circulate this text as a
> >>>>>>> formal motion in a separate electronic ballot later today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Trent
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Susan Landau wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Trent,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I like the approach, and vote B.   Proposed edits below.  Glad
> >>>>>>>> you'll be
> >>>>>>>> doing this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Susan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 8/31/10 12:54 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Assuming that this group would like to take advantage of this
> >>>>>>>>> opportunity to be heard at the IGF, I'd like to propose the
> >>>> following
> >>>>>>>>> statement:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group
> >>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
> >>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>>>>>>>> regulatory, in
> >>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
> >>>> To do
> >>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
> >>>>>>>>> policymakers,
> >>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>>>>>>>> solutions.  Privacy is a necessity for healthy online
> >>>> interactions, and
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Suggest replacing "Privacy ... only" by:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that secure private
> >>>>>>>> information and
> >>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
> >>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
> >>>>>>>>> emerge, be
> >>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
> >>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> so that the whole thing now reads:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> >>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> >>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
> >>>> regulatory, in
> >>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
> >>>>>>>> To do
> >>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
> >>>>>>>> policymakers,
> >>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> >>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that
> >>>>>>>> secure private information and
> >>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
> >>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.
> >>>>>>>> Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
> >>>> emerge, be
> >>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> WG-P3 mailing list
> >>>>>>>> WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org><mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org
> >>>> <mailto:WG-P3 at kantarainitiative.org>>
> >>>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-p3
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> J. Trent Adams
> >>>>>>> =jtrentadams
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Outreach Specialist, Trust&   Identity
> >>>>>>> Internet Society
> >>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> e)adams at isoc.org  <mailto:adams at isoc.org>
> >>>>>>> o) +1-703-439-2149
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jeff Stollman
> >>>> stollman.j at gmail.com  <mailto:stollman.j at gmail.com>
> >>>> 1 202.683.8699
> >>>>
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