[WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

Trent Adams jtrentadams at gmail.com
Sat Sep 4 22:42:39 EDT 2010


All -

Just to be clear... this thread is now out of date with regard to the
official motion on the table for consideration.

If you want to go with a statement in this thread, please hop over to
the "Call for Votes" thread and reply with a "no" vote (explaining
your desire for a different statement).  If there are enough "no"
votes that pop in quickly enough, we'll know that we need to quickly
put together another motion with a better statement.

... otherwise we might miss the opportunity to submit an approved
statement in time for the IGF.

Thanks,
Trent


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Frederik Kortbæk
<frederik.kortbak at faelledhaven.telelet.dk> wrote:
> I second "data subject driven infrastructure" as appropriate.
> /Frederik
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] På vegne af Bob Pinheiro
> Sendt: 4. september 2010 02:53
> Til: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
> Emne: Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop
>
>  How about this:
>
> Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent design architectures that
> secure private information and enable information-sharing in accordance with
> the expectations of the user.
>
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/3/2010 8:09 PM, Mark Lizar wrote:
>> I have an issue.
>>
>> I buy in to Frederik's point but I dont think its addressed
>> appropriately from a P3 perspective. It is a difficult one to express.
>>
>> Maybe this should be changed to more directly address privacy and
>> usability point that is trying to be made?
>>
>> Specifically, I have a problem with the term 'user-driven'.
>>
>> I think it looks bad on us to use the term User driven with out
>> further qualifying it.   Perhaps something else could be used?
>> (Service User Driven, rights driven architecture, individually driven
>> process, data subject driven infrastructure, etc. ?
>>
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2010, at 22:05, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>
>>> Team -
>>>
>>> Assuming that there's buy-in to Frederik's point that effective
>>> privacy
>>> solutions are tightly coupled with user experience (e.g. including
>>> setting/achieving expectations), the latest version we have is:
>>>
>>> -----
>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&  Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>> regulatory, in
>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do so, the
>>> P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises, policymakers,
>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent user-
>>> driven
>>> design architectures that secure private information and enable
>>> information-sharing in a privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by
>>> multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions emerge, be
>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>> -----
>>>
>>> If this looks like a statement this group can support, I'd like to put
>>> it into a formal motion.  Unfortunately, while we have received some
>>> great input over the past couple days, we're quickly approaching the
>>> deadline for submission.
>>>
>>> ... so please consider this a last call before going to vote.  Toss
>>> out
>>> any more edits before COB today (Friday).
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Trent
>>>
>>>
>>> Frederik Kortbæk wrote:
>>>> Dear Anna,
>>>>
>>>> As I see it usability is a result of the innovation process which is
>>>> the main issue here. That the customer is the focal point is nothing
>>>> new when new products and concepts are developed. But what I am
>>>> talking about is a systematic and scientific approach in identifying
>>>> customer experiences and non-recognised customer needs. It ought to
>>>> be
>>>> obvious regarding privacy and data protection.  It is not about
>>>> dictation but about creating trust and confidence in the eco system.
>>>>
>>>> Frederik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Fra:* Anna Slomovic [mailto:aslomovic at anakam.com]
>>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 18:36
>>>> *Til:* Frederik Kortbæk; 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> *Emne:* RE: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>>>> Workshop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frederik,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by “user-driven design
>>>> architectures”? If you are talking about usability, that’s one thing.
>>>> If you are saying that end-users will dictate architecture, I suspect
>>>> that in some countries and/or cultures that simply will not happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any elucidation you can provide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anna Slomovic
>>>>
>>>> Chief Privacy Officer
>>>>
>>>> Anakam, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> 1010 N. Glebe Rd.
>>>>
>>>> Suite 500
>>>>
>>>> Arlington, VA 22201
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P: 703.888.4620
>>>>
>>>> F: 703.243.7576
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Frederik
>>>> Kortbæk
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 12:27 PM
>>>> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of
>>>> Privacy
>>>> Workshop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allow me to suggest that more focus is put on the data subject with
>>>> the additional term as shown below.
>>>>
>>>> Kindest regards
>>>>
>>>> Frederik Kortbæk
>>>>
>>>> Dansk privacy netværk
>>>>
>>>> www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com
>>>> <http://www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com>
>>>>
>>>> Danish Biometrics
>>>>
>>>> www.dansihbiometrics.org  <http://www.dansihbiometrics.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Fra:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *På vegne af *j stollman
>>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 16:14
>>>> *Til:* Susan Landau
>>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> *Emne:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>>>> Workshop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am comfortable with the most current version in this thread with
>>>> the
>>>> following additional change.  I would replace the words "continue
>>>> having" with the word "enhancing."
>>>>
>>>> This would yield the following version:
>>>>
>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>> regulatory, in
>>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do
>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>>> policymakers,
>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>>> *user-driven design*
>>>> architectures that secure private information and enable
>>>> information-sharing in a secure,
>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>>> will
>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Susan Landau
>>>> <susan.landau at privacyink.org  <mailto:susan.landau at privacyink.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/2/10 4:15 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>> Mark -
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the first two changes, but don't think that the use of
>>>>> "transparently" in the last suggestion fits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get what you're saying, but the following captures the idea more
>>>>> effectively:
>>>>>
>>>> I'm happy with that.  Thanks Mark and Trent.
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To
>>>>> do
>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>>> policymakers,
>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>>>> architectures that secure
>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>>>> will
>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that work?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Trent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Lizar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I suggest a changed of 3 words, I have bolded these new words
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - M
>>>>>> On 2 Sep 2010, at 19:13, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taking Susan's input into account, here is the updated statement
>>>> for the
>>>>>>> IGF:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>>> To do
>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with *individuals*, enterprises,
>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to *effective* privacy are architectures
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> *transparently* secure
>>>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>>> will
>>>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there are no further suggestions, I'll circulate this text as a
>>>>>>> formal motion in a separate electronic ballot later today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Trent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan Landau wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trent,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like the approach, and vote B.   Proposed edits below.  Glad
>>>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>>>> doing this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/10 12:54 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assuming that this group would like to take advantage of this
>>>>>>>>> opportunity to be heard at the IGF, I'd like to propose the
>>>> following
>>>>>>>>> statement:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group
>>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>> To do
>>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>>>> solutions.  Privacy is a necessity for healthy online
>>>> interactions, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suggest replacing "Privacy ... only" by:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that secure private
>>>>>>>> information and
>>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>>>>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so that the whole thing now reads:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>>>> To do
>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that
>>>>>>>> secure private information and
>>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.
>>>>>>>> Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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