[WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

Frederik Kortbæk frederik.kortbak at faelledhaven.telelet.dk
Sat Sep 4 04:17:39 EDT 2010


I second "data subject driven infrastructure" as appropriate.
/Frederik 

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[mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] På vegne af Bob Pinheiro
Sendt: 4. september 2010 02:53
Til: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
Emne: Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

  How about this:

Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent design architectures that
secure private information and enable information-sharing in accordance with
the expectations of the user.


Bob

On 9/3/2010 8:09 PM, Mark Lizar wrote:
> I have an issue.
>
> I buy in to Frederik's point but I dont think its addressed
> appropriately from a P3 perspective. It is a difficult one to express.
>
> Maybe this should be changed to more directly address privacy and
> usability point that is trying to be made?
>
> Specifically, I have a problem with the term 'user-driven'.
>
> I think it looks bad on us to use the term User driven with out
> further qualifying it.   Perhaps something else could be used?
> (Service User Driven, rights driven architecture, individually driven
> process, data subject driven infrastructure, etc. ?
>
>
> - Mark
>
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2010, at 22:05, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>> Team -
>>
>> Assuming that there's buy-in to Frederik's point that effective
>> privacy
>> solutions are tightly coupled with user experience (e.g. including
>> setting/achieving expectations), the latest version we have is:
>>
>> -----
>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&  Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>> regulatory, in
>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do so, the
>> P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises, policymakers,
>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent user-
>> driven
>> design architectures that secure private information and enable
>> information-sharing in a privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by
>> multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions emerge, be
>> deployed, and maintained.
>> -----
>>
>> If this looks like a statement this group can support, I'd like to put
>> it into a formal motion.  Unfortunately, while we have received some
>> great input over the past couple days, we're quickly approaching the
>> deadline for submission.
>>
>> ... so please consider this a last call before going to vote.  Toss
>> out
>> any more edits before COB today (Friday).
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Trent
>>
>>
>> Frederik Kortbæk wrote:
>>> Dear Anna,
>>>
>>> As I see it usability is a result of the innovation process which is
>>> the main issue here. That the customer is the focal point is nothing
>>> new when new products and concepts are developed. But what I am
>>> talking about is a systematic and scientific approach in identifying
>>> customer experiences and non-recognised customer needs. It ought to
>>> be
>>> obvious regarding privacy and data protection.  It is not about
>>> dictation but about creating trust and confidence in the eco system.
>>>
>>> Frederik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Fra:* Anna Slomovic [mailto:aslomovic at anakam.com]
>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 18:36
>>> *Til:* Frederik Kortbæk; 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>> *Emne:* RE: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>>> Workshop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frederik,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by “user-driven design
>>> architectures”? If you are talking about usability, that’s one thing.
>>> If you are saying that end-users will dictate architecture, I suspect
>>> that in some countries and/or cultures that simply will not happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any elucidation you can provide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anna Slomovic
>>>
>>> Chief Privacy Officer
>>>
>>> Anakam, Inc.
>>>
>>> 1010 N. Glebe Rd.
>>>
>>> Suite 500
>>>
>>> Arlington, VA 22201
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P: 703.888.4620
>>>
>>> F: 703.243.7576
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Frederik
>>> Kortbæk
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 12:27 PM
>>> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of
>>> Privacy
>>> Workshop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Allow me to suggest that more focus is put on the data subject with
>>> the additional term as shown below.
>>>
>>> Kindest regards
>>>
>>> Frederik Kortbæk
>>>
>>> Dansk privacy netværk
>>>
>>> www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com
>>> <http://www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com>
>>>
>>> Danish Biometrics
>>>
>>> www.dansihbiometrics.org  <http://www.dansihbiometrics.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Fra:*wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *På vegne af *j stollman
>>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 16:14
>>> *Til:* Susan Landau
>>> *Cc:*wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>>> *Emne:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>>> Workshop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am comfortable with the most current version in this thread with
>>> the
>>> following additional change.  I would replace the words "continue
>>> having" with the word "enhancing."
>>>
>>> This would yield the following version:
>>>
>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>> regulatory, in
>>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do
>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>> policymakers,
>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>> *user-driven design*
>>> architectures that secure private information and enable
>>> information-sharing in a secure,
>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>> will
>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Susan Landau
>>> <susan.landau at privacyink.org  <mailto:susan.landau at privacyink.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/2/10 4:15 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>> Mark -
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the first two changes, but don't think that the use of
>>>> "transparently" in the last suggestion fits.
>>>>
>>>> I get what you're saying, but the following captures the idea more
>>>> effectively:
>>>>
>>> I'm happy with that.  Thanks Mark and Trent.
>>>
>>> Susan
>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>> regulatory, in
>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To
>>>> do
>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>>> policymakers,
>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>>> architectures that secure
>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>>> will
>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> Does that work?
>>>>
>>>> - Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Lizar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I suggest a changed of 3 words, I have bolded these new words
>>>>> below.
>>>>>
>>>>> - M
>>>>> On 2 Sep 2010, at 19:13, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taking Susan's input into account, here is the updated statement
>>> for the
>>>>>> IGF:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>> To do
>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with *individuals*, enterprises,
>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to *effective* privacy are architectures
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> *transparently* secure
>>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>>> will
>>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there are no further suggestions, I'll circulate this text as a
>>>>>> formal motion in a separate electronic ballot later today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Trent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan Landau wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trent,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the approach, and vote B.   Proposed edits below.  Glad
>>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>>> doing this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/31/10 12:54 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assuming that this group would like to take advantage of this
>>>>>>>> opportunity to be heard at the IGF, I'd like to propose the
>>> following
>>>>>>>> statement:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group
>>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>> To do
>>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>>> solutions.  Privacy is a necessity for healthy online
>>> interactions, and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggest replacing "Privacy ... only" by:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that secure private
>>>>>>> information and
>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>>>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so that the whole thing now reads:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&    Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>>>>>>> To do
>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,
>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that
>>>>>>> secure private information and
>>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.
>>>>>>> Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outreach Specialist, Trust&   Identity
>>>>>> Internet Society
>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> o) +1-703-439-2149
>>>>>>
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