[WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy Workshop

Mark Lizar mark at smartspecies.com
Fri Sep 3 20:09:11 EDT 2010


I have an issue.

I buy in to Frederik's point but I dont think its addressed  
appropriately from a P3 perspective. It is a difficult one to express.

Maybe this should be changed to more directly address privacy and  
usability point that is trying to be made?

Specifically, I have a problem with the term 'user-driven'.

I think it looks bad on us to use the term User driven with out  
further qualifying it.   Perhaps something else could be used?   
(Service User Driven, rights driven architecture, individually driven  
process, data subject driven infrastructure, etc. ?


- Mark



On 3 Sep 2010, at 22:05, J. Trent Adams wrote:

>
> Team -
>
> Assuming that there's buy-in to Frederik's point that effective  
> privacy
> solutions are tightly coupled with user experience (e.g. including
> setting/achieving expectations), the latest version we have is:
>
> -----
> The Kantara Initiative Privacy & Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
> believes that it is important to support the open development of
> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and  
> regulatory, in
> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do so, the
> P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises, policymakers,
> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent user- 
> driven
> design architectures that secure private information and enable
> information-sharing in a privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by
> multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions emerge, be
> deployed, and maintained.
> -----
>
> If this looks like a statement this group can support, I'd like to put
> it into a formal motion.  Unfortunately, while we have received some
> great input over the past couple days, we're quickly approaching the
> deadline for submission.
>
> ... so please consider this a last call before going to vote.  Toss  
> out
> any more edits before COB today (Friday).
>
> Thanks again,
> Trent
>
>
> Frederik Kortbæk wrote:
>>
>> Dear Anna,
>>
>> As I see it usability is a result of the innovation process which is
>> the main issue here. That the customer is the focal point is nothing
>> new when new products and concepts are developed. But what I am
>> talking about is a systematic and scientific approach in identifying
>> customer experiences and non-recognised customer needs. It ought to  
>> be
>> obvious regarding privacy and data protection.  It is not about
>> dictation but about creating trust and confidence in the eco system.
>>
>> Frederik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fra:* Anna Slomovic [mailto:aslomovic at anakam.com]
>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 18:36
>> *Til:* Frederik Kortbæk; 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>> *Cc:* wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> *Emne:* RE: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>> Workshop
>>
>>
>>
>> Frederik,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what you mean by “user-driven design
>> architectures”? If you are talking about usability, that’s one thing.
>> If you are saying that end-users will dictate architecture, I suspect
>> that in some countries and/or cultures that simply will not happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any elucidation you can provide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>
>> Anna Slomovic
>>
>> Chief Privacy Officer
>>
>> Anakam, Inc.
>>
>> 1010 N. Glebe Rd.
>>
>> Suite 500
>>
>> Arlington, VA 22201
>>
>>
>>
>> P: 703.888.4620
>>
>> F: 703.243.7576
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Frederik
>> Kortbæk
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 03, 2010 12:27 PM
>> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Susan Landau'
>> *Cc:* wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of  
>> Privacy
>> Workshop
>>
>>
>>
>> Allow me to suggest that more focus is put on the data subject with
>> the additional term as shown below.
>>
>> Kindest regards
>>
>> Frederik Kortbæk
>>
>> Dansk privacy netværk
>>
>> www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com
>> <http://www.danskprivacynet.wordpress.com>
>>
>> Danish Biometrics
>>
>> www.dansihbiometrics.org <http://www.dansihbiometrics.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fra:* wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *På vegne af *j stollman
>> *Sendt:* 3. september 2010 16:14
>> *Til:* Susan Landau
>> *Cc:* wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
>> *Emne:* Re: [WG-P3] Opportunity to comment at IGF Future of Privacy
>> Workshop
>>
>>
>>
>> I am comfortable with the most current version in this thread with  
>> the
>> following additional change.  I would replace the words "continue
>> having" with the word "enhancing."
>>
>> This would yield the following version:
>>
>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&   Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and  
>> regulatory, in
>> order to enhance confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To do
>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,  
>> policymakers,
>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>> *user-driven design*
>> architectures that secure private information and enable
>> information-sharing in a secure,
>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration  
>> will
>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Susan Landau
>> <susan.landau at privacyink.org <mailto:susan.landau at privacyink.org>>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/2/10 4:15 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>> Mark -
>>>
>>> I agree with the first two changes, but don't think that the use of
>>> "transparently" in the last suggestion fits.
>>>
>>> I get what you're saying, but the following captures the idea more
>>> effectively:
>>>
>>
>> I'm happy with that.  Thanks Mark and Trent.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>> -----
>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&   Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and  
>>> regulatory, in
>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.  To  
>>> do
>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with individuals, enterprises,
>> policymakers,
>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>> solutions.  Fundamental to effective privacy are transparent
>>> architectures that secure
>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration  
>>> will
>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Does that work?
>>>
>>> - Trent
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Lizar wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I suggest a changed of 3 words, I have bolded these new words  
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> - M
>>>> On 2 Sep 2010, at 19:13, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> All -
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking Susan's input into account, here is the updated statement
>> for the
>>>>> IGF:
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&   Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>> regulatory, in
>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.   
>>>>> To do
>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with *individuals*, enterprises,
>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to *effective* privacy are architectures  
>>>>> that
>>>>> *transparently* secure
>>>>> private information and enable information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration
>> will
>>>>> viable solutions emerge, be deployed, and maintained.
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> If there are no further suggestions, I'll circulate this text as a
>>>>> formal motion in a separate electronic ballot later today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Trent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan Landau wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trent,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the approach, and vote B.   Proposed edits below.  Glad
>>>>>> you'll be
>>>>>> doing this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/10 12:54 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming that this group would like to take advantage of this
>>>>>>> opportunity to be heard at the IGF, I'd like to propose the
>> following
>>>>>>> statement:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&   Public Policy Work Group  
>>>>>>> (P3WG)
>>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>>>>>>> regulatory, in
>>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.
>> To do
>>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,  
>>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>>> solutions.  Privacy is a necessity for healthy online
>> interactions, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggest replacing "Privacy ... only" by:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that secure private
>>>>>> information and
>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.  Only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>>>>>>> emerge, be
>>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> so that the whole thing now reads:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Kantara Initiative Privacy&   Public Policy Work Group (P3WG)
>>>>>> believes that it is important to support the open development of
>>>>>> globally-applicable privacy standards, both technical and
>> regulatory, in
>>>>>> order to continue having confidence in the Internet ecosystem.   
>>>>>> To do
>>>>>> so, the P3WG actively engages with users, enterprises,  
>>>>>> policymakers,
>>>>>> regulators and adoption communities on best practices and common
>>>>>> solutions.  Fundamental to good privacy are architectures that
>>>>>> secure private information and
>>>>>> enable information information-sharing in a secure,
>>>>>> privacy-enhancing manner.
>>>>>> Only by multi-stakeholder collaboration will viable solutions
>> emerge, be
>>>>>> deployed, and maintained.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://www.isoc.org
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