[WG-P3] P3 Ballot - Approving Previous Notes into Minutes
joni at ieee-isto.org
Thu Jun 10 11:46:50 EDT 2010
In the eGov WG the chair has literally read notes in to a quorate call such
that they could then be approved as minutes. I'm raising that only as a
suggestion for a potential way to move forward if WG members are truly
uncomfortable with ratifying notes as the motion is crafted today. So the
1. Vote on this motion.
2. Ask for notes to be 'read' in to minutes of a quorate call.
3. Don't take actions to ratify notes and leave them as they are.
I leave it to the group to decide which path you'd like to pursue.
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:30 AM, McDowell, Brett <bmcdowell at paypal.com>wrote:
> By having those unapproved notes up on the web site we have essentially
> "read them into" our repository of records. They do not need to be
> approved, in fact logic would lead one to say they are impossible to approve
> since WG approvals require a majority vote yet there were no majories
> present in these meetings and therefore it's impossible to approve by an
> *informed* majority of the WG.
> So whether I voted "no" or not, this ballot was likely to either (a) fail
> or (b) folks not present in those discussions would be voting in favor on
> blind faith that the records were accurate -- neither is an ideal outcome.
> They are on the wiki, and that should be enough. Why must they get some
> stamp of approval by the full WG?
> -- Brett
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Robin Wilton wrote:
> > Hi Brett -
> > I think this proposal was made on the following basis...
> > 1 - the meetings in question were just discussions, and did not try to
> call for votes or make decisions...
> > 2 - it was suggested (by those more familiar with the by-laws and rules
> applicable to this kind of thing) that sets of meeting notes could be "read
> into" the minutes of a subsequent meeting (provided, as above, that this was
> not a stealth means of insinuating non-quorate decisions/votes into the
> > On that basis, I am comfortable voting "yes"
> > R
> > McDowell, Brett wrote:
> >> I'm voting "no" (see below) because notes taken in a meeting that was
> not quorate should not be recorded as approved meeting minutes in my
> opinion. I recommend we only approve meeting minutes from meetings that
> actually happened (from an official point of view) and otherwise post
> un-approved "notes" from other informal gatherings such as a scheduled
> meeting that took place without a quorum.
> >> -- Brett
> >> On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mark Lizar wrote:
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