[Wg-p3] minutes from meeting 03 SEP 2009

Brett McDowell email at brettmcdowell.com
Wed Sep 9 09:16:33 PDT 2009


One more: Jim Lewis was not at the privacy workshop.  I mentioned him as a
potential P3WG member based on a different context. He had authored a paper
that Liberty Alliance co-sponsored.
Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com |
http://kantarainitiative.org


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Brett McDowell <email at brettmcdowell.com>wrote:

> One correction, it was not Brett who brought up this point on the call.  I
> wasn't taking notes so I'm not sure who it was.
>   v.      Brett:  we could send it out and welcome other groups to sign on
> as a group if they support our position, rather than continuing to massage
> the text and further delay our response.
>
>
> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com |
> http://kantarainitiative.org
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:30 AM, j stollman <stollman.j at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Here is my record of the minutes from our last telecon:  03 SEP 2009.
>>
>> Please let me know if there are any additions or corrections.
>>
>>   US/Canada toll-free number:  1.866.305.1460
>>     * Direct dial (toll) number: +1.416.620.1296
>>     * Attendee Code: 9247530
>>
>> As the chairperson, press the * key, and
>> enter your passcode:  1512
>>
>>
>>
>> Attendees:  Jeff Stollman, Brett McDowell, Susan Landau, Rich Furr, Trent
>> Adams, Colin Soutar, Randy van der Hoff, Mark Lizar (had trouble connecting
>> to the call)
>>
>> Regrets: Iain Henderson, Robin Wilton,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.       Reschedule next call when Robin will be flying home from Vegas.
>>
>> a.       We decided to go with Friday 18th, 08:00 PDT  (16:00 BST) in
>> order to obtain full feedback from Robin on activities in Las Vegas
>>
>> b.      NEXT MEETING:  Friday 18 SEP 08:00 PT / 11:00 ET / 16:00 BT
>>
>>                                                                i.
>> Dial-in:
>>
>> 1.       US/Canada toll-free number:  1.866.305.1460
>>
>> 2.       Direct dial (toll) number: +1.416.620.1296
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Attendee
>> Code: 9247530
>>
>> 2.       Collaboration site URL (Randy van der Hoof)
>>
>> a.       Randy tabled his presentation until the next call;
>>
>> b.      Brett recommends we coordinate use of any collaboration site with
>> Joni Brennan (staff at KantaraInitive.org)
>>
>> 3.       Quorum problem;
>>
>> a.       Brett:  Make sure Robin understands with 42 signed up members,
>> we need 21 people to have a quorum to take a position on anything during the
>> call;
>>
>> b.      We can always hold an electronic ballot in order to obtain the
>> participation necessary to pass something
>>
>> 4.       GSA ICAM feedback letter (Brett McDowell/Susan Landau) ( RW
>> note)
>>
>> a.       Process
>>
>>                                                                i.      Brett
>> summarized process options in his email of this morning (a recommendation
>> will take several weeks for all-member ballot)
>>
>> 1.       Recommendation process
>>
>> a.       Work group approves draft recommendation
>>
>> b.      45 days required for comment on draft recommendation,
>>
>> c.       Then,  LC reviews document to ensure it is within charter
>>
>> d.      Then, all-member Ballot requires 7 days
>>
>> 2.       Report process
>>
>> a.       Report requires only work group approval, but cannot  use
>> Kantara logo
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Susan
>> recommends report now and concurrent pursuit of draft recommendation for
>> later submission
>>
>>                                                             iii.      Susan
>> recommends two ballot items:
>>
>> 1.       report vs. recommendation
>>
>> 2.       if we decide to move forward rapidly with a report, pursue
>> recommendation, as well
>>
>> b.      Document Content
>>
>>                                                                i.      Brett
>> Noted that his comments on the document itself reflect his personal views,
>> based on his experience as liaison to ICAM
>>
>> 1.       ICAM includes only LoA 1-3 (without PKI)
>>
>> 2.       Susan & Rich:  Don’t think that we should suggest this scope
>> limitation in and of itself could lead to sub-optimization by excluding LoA
>> 3 (with PKI) and LoA 4.  It will dilute our message with content this is
>> not actionable by ICAM.
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Susan
>> comfortable with Brett’s changes
>>
>>                                                             iii.      Rich
>> will submit some corrections to Susan to address Brett’s comments.
>>
>>                                                            iv.      Susan
>> will issue post one more version of the document and then we will submit it
>> for ballot among P3wg members
>>
>>                                                              v.      Send
>> ballot text to Staff at KantaraInitiative.org
>>
>> c.       Socialization of Document
>>
>>                                                                i.      Rich
>> Furr favors sharing it with IA and soliciting their comments
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Rich
>> also recommends sharing it with Health Information, Consumer Identity,
>>
>>                                                             iii.
>> Brett:  Founders foresaw possibility that different groups might have
>> different opinions.  Should other groups disagree with our position in
>> the ICAM response, that does not preclude us from submitting it as a Report.
>>
>>                                                            iv.      Group
>> seems to favor sharing, but concerned about delay.
>>
>>                                                              v.
>> Brett:  we could send it out and welcome other groups to sign on as a
>> group if they support our position, rather than continuing to massage the
>> text and further delay our response.
>>
>>                                                            vi.      (Of
>> course, people could join our group in order to vote (subject to signing the
>> P3wg IPR))
>>
>> 5.       Comparison of US/UK LoA (Patrick Curry)
>>
>> a.       Tabled to next call because Patrick was unavailable
>>
>> 6.       Broadening P3-wg participation
>>
>> a.       Participants (with Robin gone, no action was reported on
>> engaging the following)
>>
>>                                                                i.       Judy
>> Spencer
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Dave
>> Temoshok
>>
>>                                                             iii.      EU
>> ENISA
>>
>>                                                            iv.      UK
>> Information Commissioner's Office (RW task?)
>>
>>                                                              v.      other
>> suitable EU candidates (e.g. from PrimeLife or other projects)
>>
>>                                                            vi.      Paul
>> Hasson (CPO - US Visit) (RW task)
>>
>> b.      Brett recommends inviting the following people from ICAM meeting
>> and offered to invite them on our behalf:
>>
>>                                                                i.      Deborah
>> Diener, US Internal Revenue Service
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Dawn
>> Wiggins, US Social Security Administration
>>
>>                                                             iii.      Naomi
>> Lefkovitz, US Federal Trade Commission
>>
>>                                                            iv.      Jim
>> Lewis
>>
>> c.       Susan recommended Brett invite the following (she will send
>> Brett their contact info):
>>
>>                                                                i.      Lee
>> Tien, ESS
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Ari
>> Schwartz
>>
>> 7.       Funding ideas
>>
>> a.       SmartCard Alliance meeting
>>
>>                                                                i.
>> Rich:  Quickly reach out for funding for refreshment; we should get free
>> room
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Randy
>> no longer on call to report on  status of getting room and other support
>> from SmartCard Alliance
>>
>> 8.       Vice-chair & secretary nominations
>>
>> a.       Jeff:  I have submitted my name for vice-chair
>>
>> b.      Rich:  Did emails go out soliciting nominations?  If not, they
>> should be sent out call attendance is small.
>>
>>                                                                i.      Send
>> an email out as a “call for leadership” to engage addressees.
>>
>> 9.       Other  (We ran out of time to cover anything else)
>>
>> 10.   ACTIONS:
>>
>> a.       Brett
>>
>>                                                                i.      Pursue
>> the people on this list for P3wg membership (items 6b and 6c above)
>>
>> b.      Rich
>>
>>                                                                i.      Send
>> updated ICAM letter text to Susan
>>
>> c.       Susan
>>
>>                                                                i.      Post
>> finalized draft ICAM letter for review and ballot support
>>
>> d.      Jeff
>>
>>                                                                i.      Initiate
>> ballot process for decision on treatment of ICAM letter
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Distribute
>> letter to other groups in PDF format seeking their sign-on without changes
>> and inviting comments (to keep us from making a major *faux pas*)
>>
>> e.      Patrick
>>
>>                                                                i.      Prepare
>> to present comparison of UK/US levels of assurance
>>
>> f.        Randy
>>
>>                                                                i.      Prepare
>> report on Prepare report on support obtainable from SmartCard Alliance
>>
>> g.       Robin
>>
>>                                                                i.      Send
>> out emails soliciting leadership support (secretary and other vice-chair
>> nominations)
>>
>>                                                              ii.      Pursue
>> the contacts he has already agreed to chasing to join P3wg (Item 6a above)
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Stollman
>> stollman.j at gmail.com
>> 1 202.683.8699
>>
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