[Wg-p3] Wg-p3 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 30

Mark Lizar info at smartspecies.com
Thu Aug 20 10:42:06 PDT 2009


Thanks,

I am not sure if anyone knows Abbie Barbir, but we have worked  
together a few times, he chairs a few ITU-T identity management groups  
and he is also in Ottawa.  Would anyone object to me asking him to  
participate?

Mark

On 20 Aug 2009, at 18:36, j stollman wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I think you recommendation about engaging Canada is quite apt.  From  
> a US perspective, given the number of people who cross the border  
> with the US' largest trading partner on a daily basis, I think that  
> harmonization with Canada would prove of great value.  Furthermore,  
> the ability of Canadians to participate in what are currently US- 
> centric meetings is enhanced by their proximity and similar time  
> zones.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Lizar <info at smartspecies.com>  
> wrote:
>
> Is there a document initiative for mapping these gaps between  
> governments?  Perhaps, first to map the gap between the UK, US, to  
> set the tone and pace, then to continue on by country.  This would  
> be an extremely helpful document and a good basis for industry/gov  
> related research.
>
> In addition, I am currently hunting some participation in the  
> Canadian Government as I have contacts there and am from Ottawa (the  
> capital).  Is there anyone else focusing here?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 20 Aug 2009, at 08:08, Patrick Curry wrote:
>
> You ought to be aware that the main UK document for levels of  
> assurance is
> the Information Assurance Requirements for Transformational Government
> (IARTG), which is in draft circulation amongst a small group of UK
> government, contractors and advisers.  The levels of assurance in  
> the IARTG
> do not map very well to M0404 and make no technical specification in  
> quite
> the way NIST SP 800-63 does.  I have been asking the UK gov folks to  
> take
> account of some of the features of 800-63 and also to focus on
> interoperability.  Hence, I have invited UK gov policy folks onto  
> P3WG to
> talk about how we close the gaps, but it will take a while to get an  
> answer
> on representation as it is vacation time.
>
> I suspect the ID Assurance WG faces the same problem, so we ought to  
> work
> together.
>
> yours sincerely
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Curry
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>  1. Re: US and UK IA/LoA approaches (Robin Wilton)
>  2. Re: US and UK IA/LoA approaches (Georgia Marsh)
>  3. Congratulations P3WG--leadership confirmed! (Britta Glade)
>  4. Re: Congratulations P3WG--leadership confirmed! (Robin Wilton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:20:54 +0100
> From: "Robin Wilton" <futureidentity at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [Wg-p3] US and UK IA/LoA approaches
> To: "Paul Madsen" <paulmadsen at rogers.com>
> Cc: Kantara P3WG <wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org>
> Message-ID: <1250623254.20281.1330458389 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
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> Hi Paul -
>
> I'm sure it's not unique to the UK... but I think you're right
> that the combination of the 'technical standard' approach plus
> the 'risk assessment' guidance is more effective than either of
> the parts separately.
>
> R
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:31 -0400, "Paul Madsen"
> <paulmadsen at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Robin, wrt the US/UK distinction, does not the combination
> of OMB m04-04 & NIST 800 63 provide the model that you suggest is
> unique to the UK ?
> Paul
> Robin Wilton
>
> Director, Future Identity
> Director of Privacy and Public Policy, Liberty Alliance
>
>
> www.futureidentity.eu
> +44 (0)705 005 2931
> ====================================================================
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:48:56 -0500
> From: "Georgia Marsh" <georgia-marsh at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wg-p3] US and UK IA/LoA approaches
> To: "'Robin Wilton'" <futureidentity at fastmail.fm>,      "'Paul  
> Madsen'"
>        <paulmadsen at rogers.com>
> Cc: 'Kantara P3WG' <wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org>
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> In the US,  M04-04 and NIST 800-63 are foundational IDM documents   
> used
> together to determine risk and then to ascertain what technology  
> (ies) and
> vetting  is (are) necessary to mitigate the risk. The OMB doc is  
> more SP/RP
> based  in that it's instructing the SP/RP on risk and specific  
> assurance
> levels. Several years ago  federal agencies were mandated by OMB to  
> conduct
> "risk assessments" on all their external facing web applications.  
> The NIST
> document is all about technical requirements because that's what  
> they do-
> write the specs....
>
>
>
> Georgia
>
>
>
> From: wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> [mailto:wg-p3-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Robin Wilton
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:21 PM
> To: Paul Madsen
> Cc: Kantara P3WG
> Subject: Re: [Wg-p3] US and UK IA/LoA approaches
>
>
>
> Hi Paul -
>
>
>
> I'm sure it's not unique to the UK... but I think you're right that  
> the
> combination of the 'technical standard' approach plus the 'risk  
> assessment'
> guidance is more effective than either of the parts separately.
>
>
>
> R
>
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:31 -0400, "Paul Madsen" <paulmadsen at rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Robin, wrt the US/UK distinction, does not the combination   of OMB
> m04-04 & NIST 800 63 provide the model that you suggest is unique to  
> the UK
> ?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Robin Wilton
>
> Director, Future Identity
> Director of Privacy and Public Policy, Liberty Alliance
>
>
> www.futureidentity.eu
> +44 (0)705 005 2931
> ====================================================================
> Structured consulting on digital identity, privacy and public policy
> ====================================================================
> Future Identity is a limited company number 6777002, registered in  
> England &
> Wales
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:28:26 -0700
> From: Britta Glade <britta at kantarainitiative.org>
> Subject: [Wg-p3] Congratulations P3WG--leadership confirmed!
> To: wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org
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> Congratulations Privacy & Public Policy Work Group--your first WG  
> vote has
> successfully closed above the requisite number of votes needed to  
> proceed.
> Robin--you have earned the support of your group in leading them  
> forward as
> chair.  Congratulations on crafting such a compelling charter and  
> gathering
> such a sharp group of folks to collaborate and contribute.  Now that  
> process
> is out of the way, you can get on to some terrific work :).
>
> Thanks, all, for taking the time to vote.  I'm sure Robin, as your new
> chair, looks forward to your participation on Thursday's call.
>
> --b.
>
> -- 
> Britta Glade Kantara Initiative 925-254-4233
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:24:35 +0100
> From: "Robin Wilton" <futureidentity at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [Wg-p3] Congratulations P3WG--leadership confirmed!
> To: "Britta Glade" <britta at kantarainitiative.org>, "Kantara P3WG"
>        <wg-p3 at kantarainitiative.org>
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> Many thanks, everyone; I'm flattered, and also somewhat awed by
> the task ahead.
>
> However, with your help I know we can contribute something useful
> and truly groundbreaking in this field.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Robin
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:28 -0700, "Britta Glade"
> <britta at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Privacy & Public Policy Work Group--your first WG
> vote has successfully closed above the requisite number of votes
> needed to proceed.  Robin--you have earned the support of your
> group in leading them forward as chair.  Congratulations on
> crafting such a compelling charter and gathering such a sharp
> group of folks to collaborate and contribute.  Now that process
> is out of the way, you can get on to some terrific work :).
>
>
>
> Thanks, all, for taking the time to vote.  I'm sure Robin, as
> your new chair, looks forward to your participation on Thursday's
> call.
>
>
>
> --b.
>
> --
> Britta Glade Kantara Initiative 925-254-4233
> Robin Wilton
>
> Director, Future Identity
> Director of Privacy and Public Policy, Liberty Alliance
>
>
> www.futureidentity.eu
> +44 (0)705 005 2931
> ====================================================================
> Structured consulting on digital identity, privacy and public policy
> ====================================================================
> Future Identity is a limited company number 6777002, registered in  
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> Wales
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