[WG-OTTO] OTTO WG minutes 11/9/16

Mike Schwartz mike at gluu.org
Wed Nov 9 15:04:17 CST 2016


OTTO WG Minutes: 11/9/2016
STATUS: Draft

## Voting Members Attending:
  - Mike Schwartz
  - Yuriy Zabrovarnyy
  - Meg Joshi
  - Janusz Ulanowski
  - Judith Bush
  - Keith Hazelton

## Discussion on call tomorrow with Leif

There has been a thread on refeds about whether OTTO makes sense. Leif
agreed to schedule a call to discuss. I sent the following note to the
refeds list, which summarizes the purpose:

```
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Reminder: Meeting tomorrow re: OTTO / federation trust mgt
Date: 2016-11-09 14:56
 From: Mike Schwartz
To: Leif Johansson
Cc: refeds List

Leif and refeds community,

Just a reminder there is a call to discuss OTTO tomorrow, Thursday at 
the 10:00 US Central Time (my time...), which I think converts to the 
following:
   10:00 AM US CT
   11:00 AM US ET
   4:00  PM GMT
   5:00  PM CET

 From my perspective, what I've gleaned is that there are two separate 
issue:
   1. Scalable trust management (distributing public keys with increased 
trust v. TLS)
   2. Discovery (how can applications automate retreival of information 
about federation entities)

I was hoping that the call tomorrow would focus on #1.

The thesis of OTTO is that linked data (JSON-LD), provides a compelling 
solution for the distribution of keys that is more scalable then the 
current approach to interfederation, which requires a lot of copying.

It seemed like Leif has doubts about this approach, or perhaps has a 
better idea of how to solve the challenge... that's what I'd really like 
to hear.

Meeting details are below. (Linux users, I think there is a Chrome 
Plugin, there is also and Android/IOS App). Please join the call if you 
would like to contribute or just listen. All are welcome... the G2M 
conference will take up to 25 people.

Thanks in advance to Leif and anyone who contributes!

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## Discussion of changes to the spec

Current OTTO API docs are here:
  https://github.com/GluuFederation/otto-node/blob/master/README.md

But the README (the unoffical spec document) is out of data:
  https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-otto

In particular, better defintions are more examples are needed for
"depth" and "fitler"--examples that will be meaningful to federation
people, like how to identify the R&S websites.

Yuriy reminded us that we had dicussed changing the name of the depth
parameter.  Depth is used to specify which entities should be returned
in a search. The term "depth" may give the impress that it means how
many inter-federations deep the server should chase. Some other ideas to
rename this term:

* Expand - Yuriy's favorite term.
* Select (which node we select)
* Match
* Browse
* Scope (not good)
* Level
* Subtree

## NEXT MEETING 11/16

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