[WG-OTTO] OTTO Minutes 4/13/16

Mike Schwartz mike at gluu.org
Wed Apr 13 12:48:11 CDT 2016

Meeting 42!!!


OTTO WG Minutes 4/13/16

## Voting Members Attending:
  - Mike Schwartz
  - Janusz Ulanowski
  - Yuriy Zabrovarnyy
  - Keith Hazelton

## Discussion of Web site to publish OTTO Schema

Github Repo for the software used to publish http://schema.org:

The software takes input in [rdfa](https://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-lite/)

For example, here is schema.org's [schema]

We have a little problem: the conversion web tool from N3-->RDF-Lite is
throwing errors. But there is a python tool we could maybe use to 

## Discussion of OpenID Connect Federation Standard

Roland and Rebecka have put forward a draft federation standard for 
OpenID Connect:

Mike completed a more detailed read of the document, and presented an 

One of the more interesting ideas Roland puts forward is that OP and RP 
would create
a new long lived private-public key pair called the "primary key." This 
would be
registered with the federation, and used to sign the OpenID Connect JSON 
Web Key Set
(JWKS) provided either during client registration or published at a URI. 
the OP would also sign its JWKS_URI with the primary key registered with 
the federation.

When an RP registers with a federation, it would be provided with a 
"Software Statement"
that contains a JSON Web Token (JWT) that contains the redirect_uris for 
the entity,
the primary key used by the RP, claims for "scopes_allowed" and 
and perhaps other claims defined by the federation. The RP could then 
present this JWT as
part of client registration, and the OP could decrypt it with the public 
key of the federation.
How would the OP know which federation key is used to decrypt the 
software statement: that
seems to be out of scope of the document.

One question raised by Mike was whether this solution created the 
problem key rotation
solved in the first place: that it was important to know quickly that 
each party could
handle key rotation.

Although some of the details around key exchange are detailed, how the 
entities would interact
with Federation Operator is out-of-scope of the document (i.e. no 
federation endpoints are

The goal of this draft seems to be to add functionality to OpenID 
Connect. It is suggested
that the OP adds these additional parameters to its discovery endpoint, 
and that the
RP can register these params as additional client metadata:

           OPTIONAL.  Location of the entity's signed JWKS, SHOULD return 
           Content-Type "application/jose" to indicate that the JWKS is 
           the form of a JWS using the JWS Compact Serialization.

           OPTIONAL.  A JWS containing the entity's intermediate public 

           OPTIONAL.  Location of the JWKS containing the intermediate 
           that the entity, signed by the primary key.

           OPTIONAL.  A JWS containing all published metadata, except the
           "signed_metadata" itself.

           OPTIONAL.  Location of the signed metadata.

           OPTIONAL.  A list of software statements from all federations 
           entity is part of.

           OPTIONAL.  A JSON object where the member names are the issuer
           identifiers of the federation that has signed a software 
           and the values are URLs pointing to the corresponding software

Mike questioned if extending OpenID Connect Discovery and Registration 
was really necessary.
For example, instead of providing the information at the OpenID Connect 
discovery endpoint,
perhaps the OP could provide an additional discovery endpoint that 
describes its
federation capabilities, such as 
At this endpoint, the OP could also advertise support for this metadata 
client registration. Mike also questioned if the feedback from the 
OpenID community
would be sufficient to vet this federation approach--the main sponsors 
of OpenID Connect
don't really need this trust model, so consideration of these features 
may be a low
priority. And participation in the OpenID Foundation from the higher ed 
community, which
is one of the main users of this trust model, is low. Finally, would a 
rush to implement this
draft, despite the gaps in the solution, lead implementers to advance in 
different directions.

## Next Meeting - Weds 4/20/2016 9am PT

  - Janusz will do a demo on some work he's been doing on Edugate
  - Follow-up discussion on the OpenID Federation proposal
  - Follow-up on schema discussion

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