[WG-ISI] Signing gpr

Jim Pasquale jim at digi.me
Thu Feb 27 17:58:19 UTC 2020

Your objection is noted Mark.  What I find interesting is the fact your objecting to something hasn’t been memorialized in a project proposal, and only talked about from a speculation perspective as to what this framework might be.

On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:39 PM, Mark @ OC <mark at openconsent.com<mailto:mark at openconsent.com>> wrote:

Hi Tom ,
I think we are suffering for volunteeritus - in which a bunch of people with little time and resource are fumbling around with these IPR tools/Frameworks as the group gets organised.

The IPR is to cover a specific work output - that MUST - be clearly identified and scope specified up front, so that you will be able to see if and how your IP Might conflict.

Then, at any time, when a conflict might arise, you can Brin this up, or clarify, that a piece of work or content is not a contribution (and under another IPR)

I think this does need to be more clearly explained and described, but - the volunteereitus..  is a limitation.

Also, Jim, I would like to also raise a concern, that a shoe-box and a dashboard - are products that many of the orgs compete on.  OpenConsent has both of those as a  product or open source, so do many of the orgs participating on the V2.

These are not good projects for the ISI - because they are competitive products and services that might needs standards and policy — - not Kantara ISI to be a competitor - this can likely end up stopping work.  It creates a lot of IP issues, like the one that Tom raises here.

So I would like to raise the issue - that products are not suitable for ISI WG -and not the right type of interop.

Best Regards,


On 27 Feb 2020, at 12:23, Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones at gmail.com<mailto:thomasclinganjones at gmail.com>> wrote:

Based on Colin's advice, i will not be joining isi.
Peace ..tom

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Colin Wallis Kantara <colin at kantarainitiative.org<mailto:colin at kantarainitiative.org>>
Date: Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Signing gpr
To: Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones at gmail.com<mailto:thomasclinganjones at gmail.com>>
Cc: Jim Pasquale <jim at digi.me<mailto:jim at digi.me>>, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal at idmachines.com<mailto:sal at idmachines.com>>, Ken Klingenstein <kjk at internet2.edu<mailto:kjk at internet2.edu>>

Hi Tom

Regarding 1) please see the screen shot from the ISI WG.. it's the same for any... where the IPR heading is shown. Clicking on it opens it to reveal the text of the option.

Regarding 2) it seems that you are referring to this page; https://kantarainitiative.org/about/ipr/<https://kantarainitiative.org/about/ipr/> which only refers to/applies to the option Patent and Copyright opt out to RAND.

The ISI WG does not use P&C opt out to RAND as CIS did. It uses non assertion covenant.

As I've recommended before, seek legal advice before proceeding, and if you have any concerns whatsoever, do not proceed to join the group.

Kind regards

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:50 PM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones at gmail.com<mailto:thomasclinganjones at gmail.com>> wrote:
I have two problems with ipr.
1. The group participation agreement sign up page says you must agree to the group's IPA, but even after you select a group, it is not possible to figure out which IPA applies.
2. As I read the opt out clause, I must exercise it within 45 days of the publication of the first draft. It seems to me that when I joined the cis at the beginning there was no issue for me, but later discussion moved imo into my ipr. If that's later incorporated into the spec, I seem to have no recourse.

If I were to join the isi I would need to protect my ipr, so apparently I need to send a letter to to leadership council at that time? Or prior to signing?

thx ..Tom (mobile)
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