[WG-InfoSharing] Call for A Critical Assessment of the Capacity of CISWG to produce a V2 of the Consent Receipt

Colin Wallis Kantara colin at kantarainitiative.org
Thu May 30 18:57:29 UTC 2019

OK, thanks.
Yes, sounds like some crossed wires, but also, it is a different approach
than is typical in Kantara, and there's always a level of discomfort when
something new is tried, .
How it is expressed of course is an individual thing..;-).

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:03 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>

> Mark. There are factual errors in your email. More to come.
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> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 9:46 AM Mark @ OC <mark at openconsent.com> wrote:
>> Dear CISWG,
>> After the last call, I have some critical concerns about the ability of
>> the  V.2 work to be progressed in the current proposal.  There definitely
>> should not be this much friction in process and admin.
>> The proposal for the V2, is not a transparent approach, agreed by
>> consensus, and what is extremely alarming is the proposition of  a
>> re-start to requirement gathering from the identity industry, to produce a
>> specification in 3 months.
>> The existing consent receipt specification was developed with 5 years of
>> requirement gathering (over 10 versions of separate requirements for each
>> version and use cases ) in consultation with standards bodies, industry
>> trade associations and regulators.  This took a heck of a lot of work and
>> has resulted in a legal tech specification for using consent with notice
>> transparency that has been adopted by global standards efforts and entire
>> industries. (US Health) To the point in which ISO has offered to initiate a
>> study period which would be driven by this work group.
>> For leadership, to not be aware or understand this scope, while also
>> proposing to lead the work group product, is a massive red flag .
>> A WG chair, to not know of the history of this extraordinary effort
>> called the consent receipt, and to want to reframe this entire work from a
>> identity implementation perspective is not only alarming but would not
>> work. As this would be a different specification and not be CR V2
>> In addition, I personally have a complaint that the behaviour
>> continuously exhibited in calls by the convening chairs is not acceptable.
>> In particularly, not letting other people speak, not being transparent, and
>> effectively (or continuously man-splaining) is not acceptable from a WG
>> chair in any organisations - especially for work of such  import.
>> It is very clear that this proposal to V2 doesn’t consider the legal
>> scope of work, which makes this a real legal framework (regulation usable)
>> in consent standard for legal compliance.
>> I would like to respectfully ask Kantara Leadership  Colin and Jim (of
>> course) to review this behaviour, as well as all of you in this work group,
>> and perhaps in the mean time, respectfully request that  Jim  (the Chair)
>> take over the reigns of leadership in CISWG. .
>> With respect to CISWG,  I invite everyone to provide an opinion on this
>> matter, who has an investment in the V2 work.
>> Kind Regards,
>> Mark
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