<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Joni,<div><br></div><div>How do 1-4 connect harmoniously? &nbsp;More importantly, how does the BOT Strategy, which probably has the most strategic insight, ensure it is in synch with ARB and IRB when they don't have sufficient visibility of them?</div><div><br></div><div>My sense is that there is a hierarchy of trust/visibility here, where the inner sanctum sees enough to guide KI. &nbsp;I can't see where that is as each 1-4 only sees pieces of the jigsaw - a circle of blinkers, perhaps?</div><div><br></div><div>Clarity, please!<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 18 Jun 2012, at 21:10, Joni Brennan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>Regarding confidentiality...<br><br>There are a couple of places where Kantara touches confidentiality. &nbsp;I<br>list below which groups, why and how.<br><br>1. ARB - all ARB members are bound to confidentiality as they perform<br>reviews for Accreditation and Service Approvals. &nbsp;Members of ARB agree<br>to confidentiality upon joining ARB. &nbsp;All discussions and materials of<br>ARB are confidential unless otherwise agree to by ARB members and<br>affected 3rd parties.<br><br>2. IRB - same as above where they perform certification reviews.<br><br>3. BoT Liaison Sub-Committee - there is a confidentiality clause<br>posted on the home page and as part of joining the group. &nbsp;This due<br>not to Kantara need for confidentiality but for that of 3rd party<br>documents which are confidential by their (3rd party) rules.<br><br>4. BoT strategy - formed as a private and confidential committee of<br>the Board of Trustees. &nbsp;Confidentiality is to allow for more open<br>discussions to occur which may mention 3rd parties. This group seeks<br>to keep details confidential until the point where potential 3rd party<br>stakeholders agree to public discussions.<br><br>Everything else at Kantara is not confidential, transparent and open<br>to public view/review.<br><br>I hope that helps explain about the what, why and how's of<br>confidentiality in Kantara.<br><br>=Joni<br><br>Joni Brennan<br>Kantara Initiative | Executive Director<br>voice:+1 732-226-4223<br>email: joni @ <a href="http://ieee-isto.org">ieee-isto.org</a><br><br>Slideshare - Building Trusted Identity Ecosystems - It takes a village!<br><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative/kantara-may-2012">http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative/kantara-may-2012</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Colin Wallis &lt;Colin.Wallis@dia.govt.nz&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Now the ‘other Colin’ has a goJ<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Not much to add (in Yellow) but .....<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Colin Soutar<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2012 6:00 a.m.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: 'Heather Flanagan'; 'Kantara Leadership Council Kantara'<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [KI-LC] By-Laws and Operating Procedures<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hi Heather -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I have some suggestions below for discussion.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">For ease of reference and discussion, I have embedded four suggestions in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">red font.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Best regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Colin<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Colin Soutar, Ph.D.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">email@colinsoutar.com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">416 358 1431<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Heather Flanagan<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: June-11-12 4:29 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: Kantara Leadership Council Kantara<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [KI-LC] By-Laws and Operating Procedures<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And I have a clarification - this does NOT need a vote, this needs consensus<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(and yes, there's irony in trying to figure that out for the By-Laws and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">whatnot).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So, let's give this until FRIDAY JUNE 15 (that's this Friday) to see if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">there is any discussion/dissension/suggestions on the LC.&nbsp; If not, we shall<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">consider consensus reached for these suggestions to go to the Board of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Trustees.&nbsp; If there is a great deal of discussion, then we'll put it on the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">agenda for the LC call next week.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-Heather<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----- Original Message -----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: "Heather Flanagan" &lt;hlflanagan@internet2.edu&gt;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: "Kantara Leadership Council Kantara" &lt;lc@kantarainitiative.org&gt;<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:13:27 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [KI-LC] By-Laws and Operating Procedures<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So, final write up on this one from me (completing my current action item<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for the LC). It is fairly long, but either I contain it all in one thread OR<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">you all get peppered with lots of little emails all requiring your input -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">both methods have issues, so I just picked one.&nbsp;&nbsp; Based on LC mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">traffic, meeting notes, and one-on-one conversations, the following areas<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">should be brought to the Board for discussion or approval of new text.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Joni, does the LC need to vote on any/all of those before it goes to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">BoT?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-Heather<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">By-Laws - Subscriber class information needs modification OLD<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1.19 "Subscriber"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">means any entity that has completed the necessary application forms,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">satisfi3d the objective subscriber criteria for the Organization, executed a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">copy of the Member Agreement (with Subscriber selected), and paid the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">appropriate Subscriber Fee as established by the Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subscriber may be an individual, corporation, partnership, join venture,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">trust, limited liability company, business association, governmental entity<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or other entity.&nbsp; Subscribers are typically those entities that are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Certification and Assurance Programs stakeholders.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NEW (proposed)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1.19 "Subscriber"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">means any entity that has completed the necessary application forms,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">satisfied the objective subscriber criteria for the Organization, executed a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">copy of the Member Agreement (with Subscriber selected), and paid the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">appropriate Subscriber Fee as established by the Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subscriber may be an individual, corporation, partnership, join venture,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">trust, limited liability company, business association, governmental entity<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or other entity.&nbsp; Subscribers are typically those entities that are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interoperability Certification and Identity Assurance Accreditation and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Approval Programs stakeholders.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OLD<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">8.3 Subscribers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A Subscriber is any entity that has completed the necessary application<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">forms, satisfied the objective subscriber criteria for the Organization,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">executed a copy of the Member Agreement (with Subscriber selected), and paid<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the appropriate Subscriber Fee as established by the Board of Trustees. A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subscriber may be an individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">trust, limited liability company, business association, governmental entity<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or other entity. Subscribers are typically those entities that are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Certification and Assurance Programs stakeholders.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NEW (proposed)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">8.3 Subscribers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A Subscriber is any entity that has completed the necessary application<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">forms, satisfied the objective subscriber criteria for the Organization,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">executed a copy of the Member Agreement (with Subscriber selected), and paid<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the appropriate Subscriber Fee as established by the Board of Trustees. A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subscriber may be an individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">trust, limited liability company, business association, governmental entity<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or other entity. Subscribers are typically those entities that are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interoperability Certification and Identity Assurance Accreditation and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Approval Programs stakeholders.&nbsp; Subscribers would vote only at the WG/DG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">level and not in all-member votes.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">By-Laws - IPR and Copyright<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">May want to review whether it is reasonable for KI to continue with the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">model of WG/DG deciding their own IPR.&nbsp; Perhaps have a base IPR policy<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">explicitly mentioned in the By-laws and allow WG/DG to do something<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different if explained/required?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: Noting that no-one has commented on this which I find surprising. I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">guess no comment means the status quo continues which I think is more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">transparent than the baseline/exception alternative.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">By-Laws - benefits of Membership<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">8.2 "Participants" states that "Participants do not enjoy Member benefits<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">listed in the section above."&nbsp; Previous section (8.1.2) refers to Trustee<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">benefits and again states "In addition to all Member benefits..."&nbsp; But in no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">prior (or later) section are there explicit Member benefits.&nbsp; Instead, a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">member is defined as: any entity that has completed the application forms,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">satisfied the objective membership criteria for the Organization, executed a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">copy of the Member Agreement, and paid the appropriate Membership Fee as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">established by the Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A Member may be an individual,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">corporation, partnership, join venture, trust, limited liability company,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">business association, governmental entity or other entity.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There is a slide deck that is more explicit with regards to Member<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">benefits.&nbsp; Consider the following changes:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OLD<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">8.1.1 Member<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A Member is any entity that has completed the application forms, satisfied<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the objective membership criteria for the Organization, executed a copy of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Member Agreement, and paid the appropriate Membership Fee as established<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">by the Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A Member may be an individual, corporation,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">partnership, join venture, trust, limited liability company, business<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">association, governmental entity or other entity.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NW (proposed)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">8.1.1 Member<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">any entity that has completed the application forms, satisfied the objective<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">membership criteria for the Organization, executed a copy of the Member<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Agreement, and paid the appropriate Membership Fee as established by the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A Member may be an individual, corporation, partnership,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">join venture, trust, limited liability company, business association,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">governmental entity or other entity.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Member benefits include:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Access to non-public/confidential drafts through the Kantara Initiative<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">liaison agreements and relationships<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. I don't recall there being a confidentiality clause in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Kantara membership agreement that is the flow-through of our (Kantara's)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">obligation to third parties.&nbsp;&nbsp; We may consider adding a &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; clause<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in the membership agreement to this effect.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: I checked the By Laws, Ops and then accessed the BoT Sub Committee page<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which is not open to the public and concur that no confidentiality clauses<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">exists there. It may have shown one on joining up though..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Eligibility for positions on the Leadership Council<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Is this true for members that are not Officers of an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">WG/DG?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: I think it is but the practicality is that Officers go forward. Agree<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that this needs tidying per your suggestion below.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Listing of Member Logo on web roster<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Ability to sponsor Work/Discussion Group formation<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">* Ability to request directed funding without overhead<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">By-Laws - defining "Stakeholders"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Kantara has the concept of stakeholders, often referred to in presentations<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or discussions.&nbsp; It also came up when discussing the Subscriber class ("One<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">idea floated was that for profile and criteria development stakeholders must<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be at least subscribers (== not non-funding participants)").&nbsp; Stakeholder is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">not however defined in the By-Laws nor the Operating Procedures.&nbsp; We should<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">either more clearly define this term OR stop using it.&nbsp; If we want to more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">clearly define it, one possible definition could be (and I hope someone can<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">come up with something better) :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NEW<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"Stakeholder"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A Stakeholder is an entity that is affected by the discussions and actions<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">taken by the Kantara Initiative from the working group level through to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Board of Trustees.&nbsp; A Stakeholder may be impacted by one or more efforts,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discussions, or recommendations produced out of the Kantara Initiative's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Members and Participants.&nbsp;&nbsp; A Stakeholder may be an individual, corporation,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">partnership, join venture, trust, limited liability company, business<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">association, governmental entity or other entity.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: I don’t favour a new definition for Stakeholder. I think we can use it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in presentations to indicate the active membership at large and imply the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">dictionary definition. I agree that “that for profile and criteria<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">development stakeholders must be at least subscribers (== not non-funding<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">participants)"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Operating Procedures - WG and DG voting<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The LC has explicit procedures for handling votes.&nbsp; All-member ballots also<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have explicit procedures.&nbsp; WG and DG don't, probably because it is expected<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">those groups are to work on consensus as defined in the OP.&nbsp; However, those<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">groups DO have to vote: for leadership positions, for decision making when<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">consensus has failed.&nbsp; I suggest we basically copy section 2.6 in to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Working Group and Discussion Group sections, with the following<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">modifications:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1 - change "LC to "WG" or "DG"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2 - IF the Subscriber class is approved by the BoT to have voting priv's in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the WG/DG but NOT in the all-member ballots, we need to make that clear both<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in this new section as well as in the All-Member voting section.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: Agree with all this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Operating Procedures - Nominations<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Procedures for handling nominations to any leadership position are not laid<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">out in the OP.&nbsp; Are there any categories of Members/Participants that are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NOT allowed to be nominated in to a position?&nbsp; Should there be a minimum<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">nomination period?&nbsp; Can anyone submit a nomination?&nbsp; Need to clarify these<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">things.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. As per my comment 2 above.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: Agree<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Operating Procedures - role of Secretary Would like to add to the summary<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">report required of each WG Secretary a record of whether quorum was reached.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Might be useful to mention that a DG MAY nominate a Secretary, and if they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">do, the Secretary will have similar responsibilities to that of a WG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Secretary.&nbsp; If they don't, then the DG Chair is required to fulfill those<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">responsibilities.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">4. I’d like to suggest that the following text be considered with regards to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">voting.&nbsp;&nbsp; The changes I have suggested would be generally consistent with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">operating procedures in SDO’s; would give some notice to the delinquent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Participant of the impending action; and would avoid any perception of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ability for members to “vote hop”.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even though we have not suffered from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this at all, the perception of the ability to attain voting rights “at will”<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in light of an “interesting” agenda item, I believe would be better removed,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and is more respectful of the active body of the membership.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">3.7<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OLD<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All Participants present at a WG meeting are voting members of the WG. For<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the purpose of maintaining a reasonable ability to achieve Quorum, any<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Participant in a WG who fails to attend two consecutive meetings of the WG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">may, at the discretion of the Chair, be re-classified as a non-voting<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">member. Voting member status may be reacquired by attending a meeting of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">WG. In the case of an electronic vote of the WG, if the electronic vote is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">initiated while a Participant is in non-voting status, the Participant may<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">not vote in that electronic vote.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PROPOSED<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All Participants present at a WG meeting are voting members of the WG,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">unless they have elected to be non-voting Participants. &nbsp;&nbsp;For the purpose of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ensuring an active membership base is maintained, &nbsp;any Participant in a WG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">who fails to attend two consecutive meetings of the WG may, at the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discretion of the Chair, be re-classified as a non-voting member. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Such<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">re-classification shall be stated in the agenda of the meeting in which it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">takes affect.&nbsp;&nbsp; Voting member status may be re-acquired by attending a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">meeting of the WG, in which case the voting member status is effective at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the conclusion of the meeting.&nbsp;&nbsp; In the case of an electronic vote of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">WG, if the electronic vote is initiated while a Participant is in non-voting<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">status, the Participant may not vote in that electronic vote.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If adopted, this revised text would likely be similarly appropriate for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">clause 2.6 relating to the LC.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CW: I sympathise with the intent. I’m worried that it will affect quorums<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which are already problematic. Still, I think it is worth doing for the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reasons Colin S says and teh implication is that the draft Minutes will have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to go to electronic vote more often. So the price for the change is a bit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">more work for the Secretaries.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Had enough yet? :-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-Heather<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LC mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LC@kantarainitiative.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/lc<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LC mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LC@kantarainitiative.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/lc<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">====<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CAUTION:&nbsp; This email message and any attachments contain information that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">may be confidential and may be LEGALLY PRIVILEGED. If you are not the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this message or<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email message<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in error please notify us immediately and erase all copies of the message<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and attachments. Thank you.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">====<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LC mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="ci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