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    <font face="Arial">According to the Steering Group Bylaws Discussion
      Draft, every entity that participates in the Steering Group is
      either a Member, or a Member Associate.&nbsp; </font> <font
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      Members must sign a membership agreement, and can be either
      organizations or individuals.&nbsp; Member Associates are persons who
      do not sign membership agreements, but are in some way affiliated
      with a Member.&nbsp; So Member Associates can be employees of companies
      that are Members, or (in the case of Kantara) "members" or
      participants in the Member organization.&nbsp;&nbsp; Member Associates must
      be listed in the membership agreement that the Member signs.</font>
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      So Kantara must decide if the organization itself will sign a
      membership agreement, and if so, whether it will designate certain
      individuals (WG/DG Chairs, others) as Member Associates. </font>
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          The draft Bylaws also states that "each Member shall
          self-select into the Stakeholder Group that they consider best
          represents its roles or interests in the Identity Ecosystem."
        </small></big><small>&nbsp; </small><small> </small> So this would
      seem to mean that Kantara itself (if it chooses to become a
      Member) would have to self-select into one of the 14 Stakeholder
      groups.&nbsp; However, this also seems to mean that each person
      designated as a Kantara Member Associate would also be affiliated
      with that same Stakeholder Group (see Bylaws section a.3,
      Stakeholder Group Affiliation: " Member Representatives and Member
      Associates shall be affiliated with the Stakeholder Group selected
      by their respective Member Organization.")<br>
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      However, in the Governance Recommendations document,
      Recommendation 25 says that each "Stakeholder" must self-select
      into one of the stakeholder groups.&nbsp; It's not clear if a
      Stakeholder is the same as a Member, or whether Stakeholder can
      refer to anyone (including Member Associates).&nbsp; The term
      Stakeholder is not defined.&nbsp; <br>
      <br>
      So given the governance rules as currently written, it may be
      reasonable for Kantara to become a Member, and to be represented
      by Joni or another staffer.&nbsp; Anyone else associated with Kantara
      (WG/DG chairs, etc), unless they want to be associated with the
      same stakeholder group that Kantara chooses, should probably
      consider becoming individual Members, or Member Associates of some
      other Member organization.</font> <font face="Arial"><br>
      <br>
      It might be reasonable for Kantara to consider petitioning NSTIC
      to modify these rules so that Kantara members/participants can
      still participate as Kantara Affiliates, without having to sign
      separate Member agreements, while still being able to join other
      stakeholder groups.&nbsp; Or for an organizational Member such as
      Kantara to be able to self-select into several stakeholder
      groups...provided Kantara can only vote in one such group.</font>
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    </font> <font face="Arial"> &nbsp;- Bob P.</font><br>
    <br>
    On 6/11/2012 7:56 AM, Salvatore D'Agostino wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            way to address this is to have the leadership of each of the
            DG/WG participate/liaison in the related working groups.&nbsp;
            Individuals can participate and bring their DG/WG hats
            along.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">At




            the top should be an area of overall organization to
            organization cooperation.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Ditto




            on eGov policy.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The




            more participation the better the position (more votes) for
            elections no matter what category.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:dg-nstic-bounces@kantarainitiative.org">dg-nstic-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="mailto:dg-nstic-bounces@kantarainitiative.org">mailto:dg-nstic-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bradley<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 11, 2012 1:24 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Colin Wallis<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Kantara Leadership Council Kantara; <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:dg-nstic@kantarainitiative.org">dg-nstic@kantarainitiative.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [DG-NSTIC] [KI-LC] An eGov comment::
                (RE: REVIEW DRAFT: Kantara Initiative Position Paper -
                NSTIC Steering Group Formation v0.2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The NSTIC rules say you need to
          self-identify for participating in elections. &nbsp;What category
          you run for election in and vote in, &nbsp;not what plenary areas
          you participate in. &nbsp; &nbsp;This is more a governance issue than an
          operational one. &nbsp; Given that individuals can self select and
          vote with the same weight as organizations, the only reason
          for a organization to self select is to run for the governing
          group in an area as far as I can tell.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I have know idea if the rules would allow
            a WG that is not a legal entity to participate at that level
            for voting, &nbsp;I suspect not. &nbsp; the more important thing is
            probably what NSTIC proposed NSTIC committees relate to
            Kantara WG, and arranging individual participation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Colin eGov should be
            positioned as Policy not standards.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">John B.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 2012-06-11, at 5:30 AM, Colin
                Wallis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Many




                    thanks for this effort Joni<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    I took a look over the weekend.<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    It's great to see the strong support for
                    international representation! Thank you:-)<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    The rest of it was great too, and I had just two
                    thoughts..:<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    1) Do we think that it is appropriate to
                    characterize&nbsp;eGov WG as 'standards', referencing the
                    Implementation profile for SAML 2.0?&nbsp; It's not that
                    that is wrong of course, but thinking about our
                    revised positioning into a
                    more&nbsp;policy/governance/requirements gatherer for an
                    eGov SAC, I'm&nbsp;wondering if we couldn't future-proof
                    ourselves a bit? IF we did, we could also self
                    identify into&nbsp;4) Fed Gov and 5) State Local etc Gov,
                    couldn't we?<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    2) I thought that NSTIC rules said that an
                    entity&nbsp;could only self identify into one of the
                    Stakeholder Groups. While the issue of undue
                    influence as raised by NSTIC is reasonable, it is
                    also unreasonable that an entity such as KI has to
                    do this given the breadth of its
                    activities.&nbsp;Certainly that is&nbsp;the implication&nbsp;of
                    this reponse paper, but&nbsp;it doesn't seem to come
                    right out and say it.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    Any views on these points?&nbsp;<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
                    Cheers<br>
                    Colin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:joni@ieee-isto.org">joni@ieee-isto.org</a><br>
                      Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:32:33 -0700<br>
                      To:<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:LC@kantarainitiative.org">LC@kantarainitiative.org</a>;<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:dg-nstic@kantarainitiative.org">dg-nstic@kantarainitiative.org</a><br>
                      Subject: [KI-LC] REVIEW DRAFT: Kantara Initiative
                      Position Paper - NSTIC Steering Group Formation
                      v0.2<br>
                      <br>
                      Hello LC and NSTIC DG,<br>
                      <br>
                      Please find attached the early draft of Kantara
                      Position Paper - NSTIC Steering Group Formation<br>
                      <br>
                      This is a draft - which means - now is the time
                      for you members to submit your comments and edits
                      - both general and specific.&nbsp; I will amalgamate
                      comments received.&nbsp; A few notes. Please send with
                      in one week for inclusion in the next draft.<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      <br>
                      The following Groups please send in your group
                      representative edits / copy as appropriate.&nbsp; If
                      your group does not align or have context then you
                      have no action to take.<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      - AMDG<br>
                      - BCTF<br>
                      - Consumer ID WG<br>
                      - HIAWG<br>
                      - Telco ID WG<br>
                      - Japan WG (I'm not sure that Japan will have
                      input as this is a US strategy but the opportunity
                      is open for this group as well!)<br>
                      - other KI stakeholders not included above (?)<br>
                      <br>
                      UMA WG - Eve I got your comments but would like to
                      know which of the stakeholder groups you see UMA
                      aligning with.&nbsp;<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      <br>
                      Once we see which stakeholder groups Kantara
                      groups are aligning with we will be able to work
                      forward toward final input. Please note that the
                      NSTIC Governance recommendation calls for
                      organizations / individuals to identify with ONE
                      stakeholder group [1].&nbsp; I believe this is a
                      challenge as many organizations will find
                      overlap.&nbsp; Our approach should be to either<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      - Reach consensus on one stakeholder group to
                      identify with OR<br>
                      - Provide input regarding how the governance
                      should change to allow for organizations /
                      individuals to align with multiple stakeholder
                      groups.<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      <br>
                      Remember this is our opportunity to help shape the
                      NSTIC steering governance model and highlight the
                      significant work that Kantara is already
                      progressing in the space.<span
                        class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>
                      <br>
                      [1] Recommendation 25: Each Stakeholder should be
                      required to &#8220;self-identify&#8221; into the stakeholder
                      group which it considers best represents its
                      primary role or interest in the Identity
                      Ecosystem. Self-identification into one
                      stakeholder category at a time would prevent
                      organizations that may play multiple roles in the
                      Identity Ecosystem from exerting undue influence
                      by gaining more than one vote on the Management
                      Council. Importantly, individuals that do not wish
                      to self-identify into one of the other 13
                      stakeholder groups may choose to participate as an
                      Unaffiliated Individual.<br>
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