[KI-LC] LC discussion of ONC final draft Trust Registry proposal

jim kragh kragh65 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 23:45:29 UTC 2021

Thanks Andrew for investing time to review the document and share your
thoughts along with some questions. Also appreciate you sending the DHS -
RFC invitation to other LC members for our 2 PM session Thursday.

Have a nice evening and look forward to the LC call tomorrow,


On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:04 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>

> Hi Jim - I've added some questions and requests for clarification in the
> document as Word comments. Perhaps we can discuss them during the LC call.
> My primary observation is that the proposal is a bit scattered - in some
> places it tells the reviewer that the project has one objective, then in
> other places it describes other, different, objectives - so it's a bit
> confusing to me.
> Is the project intended to extend the IDEF Registry tool by adding an API
> for data access?
> Is the project intended to develop a conformity assessment scheme that
> will enable assessments of apps against a published set of requirements
> (and which requirements)?
> Is it to establish a new Kantara assessment and approval scheme within the
> existing Kantara trust operations program?
> (and if the answer is 'yes' to all of the above, they will have to be
> described a bit more fully in the proposal)
> Put another way: what tangible things will the ONC receive in return for
> the grant money?
> And is the intention that Kantara will receive some tangible things as
> well?
> thanks
> andrew.
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> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi LC - *please act on this email. Some homework is required prior to
>> Wednesday.*
>> On our next Leadership Council call Wednesday July 21, 2021, we will
>> spend most of the hour discussing the attached draft proposal that has been
>> developed by FIRE WG.
>> *Leadership Council call - Wednesday July 21, 2021 - 12:00 Eastern*
>> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/112012805
>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/112012805&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2J3T36uJVbpRCFCQraStUy>
>> Kantara is figuring out the whole 'internal process to bid for/manage
>> grant funding' and this is the first substantial one - we need your help.
>> Generally speaking, this proposal draft will be reviewed by LC and
>> comments provided to FIRE WG who will then take it forward to the Kantara
>> Board of Directors for refinement then onward submission to ONC. If
>> successfully awarded, the Kantara BOD would be the signatory and ultimate
>> grant manager, and so they are the approver prior to submission.
>> Our role is to ask clarifying questions and provide substantive feedback
>> on the document. LC does not have an approver role for financial
>> obligations of Kantara (read the bylaws and operating procedures).
>> Note that this text is intended to test the appetite of ONC to enter into
>> grant funding mode - it is not the actual grant proposal, which would
>> require many more details. When we get to that stage, Kay will manage the
>> process as ED and as a person with much experience in grant proposals and
>> management.
>> Thanks, and we'll talk on Wednesday - if you are unable to attend, please
>> send your regrets in advance. Each WG should try to have at least one Chair
>> or Vice-Chair in attendance at each LC meeting.
>> andrew
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: jim kragh <kragh65 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 2:41 PM
>> Subject: LC input/edits/approval ref ONC final draft Trust Registry
>> proposal
>> To: Andrew Hughes (andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com) <
>> andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Kay Chopard Cohen <kay at kantarainitiative.org>
>> Andrew, good day!
>>                  July 11, 2021
>> Last month you invited the FIRE Work Group to share its ‘work efforts’ at
>> the Leadership Council‘s (LC) monthly meeting that commenced with a 30
>> minute open discussion by a LC-WG Chair, in this event, that was me ...
>> thank you!
>> Tom Jones and I focused our comments around our Trust Registry (
>> www.trustregistry.org) activity which is a core feature discussed in the
>> ONC (Office of the National Coordinator under HHS) Trust Registry draft
>> proposal. We specifically mentioned vulnerable populations, relating to the
>> healthcare sector, since there is a beneficial value to ONC and patients in
>> what is being presented in this document. During our 30 minute interactive
>> session I also noted this effort involves several Kantara Work Groups
>> including Dr. Tom Sullivan, who chairs the Healthcare Identity Assurance WG.
>> Last week I was invited by Kay and Matt to join them last Friday for a
>> virtual, interactive session so they could gain insight on both the ONC
>> project scope and support that would be required if ONC’s Trust
>> Registry proposal (final draft attached) was awarded funds. Dr Tom did join
>> us on the call. Kay did ask if the LC had formally received and reviewed
>> the ONC document and I responded with a ‘No’ since the final FIRE WG draft
>> document had only been completed the day before, on Thursday, July 8th.
>> Hence, the very reason for this message is to request a timely review by
>> the LC of the attached ONC Trust Registry draft document. It is my
>> understanding, please correct if in error, that once the LC reviews, edits
>> and accepts the document, such is recorded and is then be forwarded to the
>> Board for review and consideration.  The urgency of this request is
>> elevated since ONC is actively engaged in addressing Vulnerable
>> Populations/Social Determinant problems.  Once the approval process is
>> completed we will submit such to ONC.
>> In advance Andrew, if you have any questions please let me know I can
>> assist you in coordinating with the LC. In advance, thanks for your
>> leadership and assistance.
>> Jim
>> Jim Kragh
>> Kantara, Chair
>> FIRE Work
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