[KI-LC] Kantara Members Across the World (map)

Andrew Hughes andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 19:59:42 UTC 2020


Cool

We should have a single source of truth for member data instead of copies
that must be manually synched.

#3 then we probably should only show location to the state/province level
not to city level

#4 think about it as a globe not a flat map view

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:44 PM Armin Kathrein <armin at kantarainitiative.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like to respond on some points.
>
>    1. It will take about 2 min to make a new entry in the map, and about
>    1 minute to delete an entry. This is almost no time at all, and since there
>    are only a handful new/expired members each month it’s almost no time staff
>    will take to maintain the maps.
>    At the other hand, the time that it will take to make a script, test
>    the script and launch the script will be way more. I think that the minimum
>    time to develop the script will be the same as 100 entries, 100 entries
>    that we will reach in maybe a whole year.
>    And the other problem that we have is that someone always have to be
>    sure to fill in the correct location, if this isn’t the latitude/altitude
>    then we have to use another service that transforms the postal codes to
>    these lat/alt. In short words it’s too much time to develop this script
>    looking at how many minutes it takes to do it on our own.
>    2. I can mark the entry differently as the tooltip/popup, so when I
>    have to make this change I will do it right away.
>    3. I will look into this, tho I’m not very positive that this is
>    possible.
>    4. Sorry, can you explain a little bit more this point?
>
> Thanks for all the input so far.
>
> Armin Kathrein
> IT Web Admin/maintenance
>
> Kantara Initiative Inc.
>
>
> On 22. Oct 2020, 16:51 +0200, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>,
> wrote:
>
> Very cool!
>
> A couple items...
> - why is there staff time involved? This should be relatively simple to
> run a script from our member list into whatever format is needed by the map
> tool Then run it monthly - maybe staff time to load the new list into the
> map tool, but certainly no staff time to do data entry and manual tracking.
> - all the 'individual' members should be shown on the map as 'Individual'
> until they opt in to showing their name on the map (no opt-out!) - that
> would drive a boolean in the member list that would show/hide their actual
> name on the data conversion. Company members should simply be informed that
> there's a new benefit automatically included in their membership.
> - If it's possible: at low zoom levels, all the country members should
> aggregate into a single country circle - possibly with the circle diameter
> related to the number of members. At higher zoom levels, the country
> circles could break out into state/province circles. Not sure if city-level
> breakout is interesting.
> - I doubt this bit is possible :-) but have a way to put each continental
> area in the middle of the map so the person viewer can move around :-)
>
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Understood.
>>
>> I was thinking off allowing members that are geographically close to each
>> other (now known because of the map) to maybe connect. But I understand the
>> load on staff being an issue.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:38 AM Colin Wallis Kantara <
>> colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken
>>>
>>> The plan was to have no more personal info than currently shown on the
>>> members web page except to extend to a country. The current members page
>>> does not have email addresses... just a name and logo (if an organization).
>>>
>>> Staff felt that moving in that direction really does introduce way more
>>> privacy issues than simply a name in a country and very high level location
>>> within the country.
>>>
>>> Even this very basic map (not a much richer info filled Google map
>>> option) makes it conceivably possible to identify a person with more
>>> attributes, but only arguably no more so than would be the case if you took
>>> the name and entered it into a search engine.
>>>
>>> We felt it would be too great a burden on Staff to manage all the
>>> changes of adding new members, removing non renewing members, working on
>>> opt out requests etc in a timely way and thereby the potential for greater
>>> privacy risk exposure, that adding more attributes to the map would create.
>>>
>>> That is why the Notice is there in the interests of transparency. Maybe
>>> it needs more wordsmithing but you get the idea..
>>>
>>> I'm adding John Wunderlich specifically to see if he has a view..busy as
>>> he is this week with IIW..
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:56 PM Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Colin,
>>>>
>>>> I think that it is a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, the Consent factor will need to be worked into the
>>>> logistics of putting a member on the map to ensure privacy is respected.  I
>>>> think that it would also be nice to have contact information (i.e., email
>>>> address) along with the name.
>>>>
>>>> Understanding that it is a demo of the final interactive map, the map
>>>> does need some work.  I don’t know what is involved in overlaying the
>>>> information on Google Maps.
>>>>
>>>> My two cents,
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:05 AM Colin Wallis Kantara <
>>>> colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi LC
>>>>>
>>>>> On yesterday's LC agenda there was mention of this, but we ran out of
>>>>> time to get to it, and the LC resolved to take the rest of the agenda items
>>>>> via email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Accordingly, please find this not-yet-public link to this web page.
>>>>> The idea is to reinforce the global nature of Kantara in a visual way,
>>>>> and place it in the Membership drop-down menu of the Website.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://kantarainitiative.org/world-map-demo/
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? What could be improved?
>>>>> Responses by close of business Friday in your timezone please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Colin
>>>>>
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