[KI-LC] New version of Operating Procedures

Ken Dagg kendaggtbs at gmail.com
Fri Oct 12 21:31:20 UTC 2018


Andrew will need to respond

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:27 PM Colin Wallis Kantara <
colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:

> OK, so in essence, I think Andrew is advocating that;
>
> 1) the IPR review and Public comment period can be reduced or removed by a
> Supermajority vote of the LC under circumstances where there are non
> significant changes.
>
> 2) the All Member Ballot can be removed by a Supermajority vote of the LC *but
> it cannot be reduced, *under circumstances where there are non
> significant changes.
>
> Have I understood this correctly?
>
> Cheers
> Colin
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:23 AM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Returning to the rationale for a) Public Comment, b) IPR Review and c)
>> All-Member Ballot:
>> a) to improve document quality
>> b) to receive patent and copyright notifications
>> c) to get Kantara Member endorsement
>>
>> The durations of each were set to either align with similar processes at
>> other standards developing organizations or to allow for our members'
>> normal business timelines to be able to address the topic presented.
>>
>> In the case of the SAC updates, the IAWG has determined that there is low
>> risk of increased risk of bad quality; and low risk of new patent and
>> copyright issues. This leads me to suggest that elimination of the public
>> comment and IPR review periods is OK.
>> Also, the IAWG has determined that the changes are minor and non-material
>> (meaning that the changes should not break implementations against the
>> criteria) - so no AMB is needed.
>>
>> *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP
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>>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM Colin Wallis Kantara <
>> colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks both
>>>
>>> Trying to parse Andrew's comment...
>>> I think it is that he suggests the modification to the Ops Procs would
>>> be that certain 'non material' (here we go again with needing clearly
>>> defining the terms at the outset) changes would not be subject to an AMB,
>>> and just voted as a super - majority of the LC.
>>> If that's the case, it might be better to revise the current wording of
>>> the Note for the reduction in Public Comment and IPR Review Period, so that
>>> it captures both PC and IPR RP and AMB consistently.
>>> Off hand, I can't think of a situation where we might have a need for an
>>> AMB but zero PC and IPR RP (as the OPs Procs are currently written), so I
>>> think if the latter is Zero, the AMB is not applicable. If we have a
>>> reduced PC and IPR RP for whatever reason, we could conceivably have no
>>> AMB, but I think it is getting marginal. What we cannot have, is a reduced
>>> AMB.
>>> So the options we shoud allow are:
>>> 1) zero PC and IPR RP with no AMB.
>>> 2) reduced PC and IPR RP with normal AMB
>>> 3) normal 45 day PC and IPR RP and normal 15 day AMB.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:50 AM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken - I understand the need, but don’t think it serves us well to
>>>> allow instant turn-around all-member ballots.
>>>>
>>>> AMBs are not only to register positive approvals, but also to register
>>>> objections. It would be a difficult position to defend if a member was
>>>> unavailable for one day, missed both the call and close of a ballot, then
>>>> tried to object.
>>>>
>>>> A quirk of numbers is that the entire LC could almost make AMB quorum,
>>>> especially if a couple more groups are created.
>>>>
>>>> So it might just be better to allow LC to approve such things directly
>>>> rather that pretending to increase oversight by AMB.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 2:54 AM Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on IAWG’s attempt to publish the recent revisions it made to the
>>>>> IAF SAC, I would like to suggest the following modification to Section
>>>>> 7.7.1.3 (All-Member Ballot for Recommendation Approval) of the Operating
>>>>> Procedures. This modification will enable the LC to authorize a zero day
>>>>> All-Member Ballot period for revisions that have no impact on affected
>>>>> parties (e.g., CSPs or Assessors). The impact of the revision will allow
>>>>> revisions to be put into place as soon as possible to meet operational
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SECTION 7.7.1.3: All-Member Ballot for Recommendation Approval
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The LC Secretary shall then initiate the All-Member Ballot. This
>>>>> ballot shall be conducted electronically and shall be open for a minimum of
>>>>> 15 days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The voting record by the All-Member ballot shall be publicly available
>>>>> upon completion of the ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: The LC can, by Super Majority vote of the LC, reduce the
>>>>> duration of the All-Member Ballot period for non-material editorial changes
>>>>> to a Kantara Initiative Candidate Recommendation. The decision must take
>>>>> into consideration the impact of changes on affected parties (e.g., CSPs,
>>>>> Assessors). The decision and rationale shall be reported to the Board of
>>>>> Directors at the next Board of Directors meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A notice describing the All-Member Ballot period reduction shall be
>>>>> included as part of the voting record for the All-Member ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:44 PM Andrew Hughes <
>>>>> andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone: Ken Dagg, Colin and I have been working on a new set of
>>>>>> Operating Procedures that align to the current version of Bylaws and also
>>>>>> incorporate a bunch of new material on publication processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the final draft version - I don't expect you to read the whole
>>>>>> thing - but please skim through if you have 30 minutes or so sometime - we
>>>>>> have untangled some difficult text and hopefully clarified how certain
>>>>>> procedures should be performed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once this is through all the approvals, it will be converted to HTML
>>>>>> & short task-based index pages will be created (for example a page for the
>>>>>> regular operation of a Work Group could be made - including all the things
>>>>>> you need to know how to do as a Chair/Vice)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> andrew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP
>>>>>> *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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