[KI-LC] Seeking your views on Kantara joining the MyData consortium

Colin Wallis Kantara colin at kantarainitiative.org
Wed Oct 10 17:22:58 UTC 2018


OK, thanks for those responses.

Taking Andrew's and Ken's comments as a Yes, that is now 4 Yes, 1 abstain
and Eve still thinking.

It's inching closer to a simple majority in favoor, but let's wait for any
more...

Cheers!


On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:09 PM Rainer Hoerbe <rainer at hoerbe.at> wrote:

> I abstain, because I have not attended their events so far.
>
> - Rainer
>
> Am 2018-10-10 um 18:57 schrieb Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>:
>
> I think that the fact that they are a movement and trying to grow a
> community is actually a benefit to Kantara - I think our intentions are
> aligned and there are a few domain overlaps.
>
> Now, whether joining versus sponsoring will be more effective - your guess
> is as good as mine :)
> If it's cheap and does not require much time, then joining benefit-cost
> seems favourable...
>
> andrew.
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:50 AM Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Colin,
>>
>> I’m in agreement with Eve’s point of view. I don’t see anything that they
>> produce or plan to produce.
>>
>> Saying that, though, there could be an opportunity for greater exposure
>> for Kantara through MyData community activities.
>>
>> I’m okay with a membership for a year or two to see where things go.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM Colin Wallis Kantara <
>> colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> So far I have 2 Yes.
>>>
>>> To Eve's point, my own POV is that it is too early to tell.
>>> Heck, they are only establishing the org tomorrow, and they are doing it
>>> in a kind of commonsy way.
>>> They make statements about ambitions to do real standards work, but it's
>>> too early to know if that will become a reality.
>>> So personally I think it is too early to make a judgement on that..
>>> And indeed the fact that they haven't done real work yet, does offer an
>>> opportunity for Kantara..
>>> My 2c..
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be very up front about it, I’m wondering what it produces other than
>>>> community (conferences, “hubs”, podcasts...). Lots of people have their
>>>> “hearts in the right place”, but I see no other hard deliverables and no
>>>> governance structure to produce any. Am I missing something? Producing
>>>> “talk” is fine, but does it actually advance Kantara’s goals farther than
>>>> they would be advanced otherwise, e.g. by attending and participating in
>>>> (and maybe sponsoring) the conference?
>>>>
>>>> Eve Maler (sent from my iPad) | cell +1 425 345 6756
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Colin Wallis Kantara <
>>>> colin at kantarainitiative.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Folks
>>>>
>>>> Many of you know or know of MyData.
>>>>
>>>> https://mydata.org/
>>>>
>>>> Once upon a time, there was talk of them being incubated by Kantara,
>>>> similar to the ID Pro model. But we couldn't agree terms so they have
>>>> proceeded to do their own thing.
>>>>
>>>> Nonetheless there is a good level of support cross-over and we have a
>>>> congenial relationship if not a hugely mutually supportive one.
>>>>
>>>> Typically I would not consider Kantara paying fees to another non
>>>> profit, but this one has borrowed much from our model and from an ethics
>>>> and ethos POV very similar.
>>>>
>>>> So I think that in this case, it's reasonable to consider it, (and as
>>>> Andrew suggested when I ran this past him yesterday) even if for a year or
>>>> so to see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Cost is very reasonable (non profits get 50% off a membership fee, and
>>>> Kantara is classed as a micro business in EU terms) brings us in at €250
>>>> and about the same in US$.
>>>>
>>>> https://mydata.org/mydata-global-membership-application/
>>>>
>>>> In your opinion Chairs, Yes or No?
>>>>
>>>> Reply All by return please.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Colin
>>>>
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