[KI-LC] Seeking your views on Kantara joining the MyData consortium

Rainer Hoerbe rainer at hoerbe.at
Wed Oct 10 17:09:31 UTC 2018


I abstain, because I have not attended their events so far.

- Rainer

> Am 2018-10-10 um 18:57 schrieb Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>:
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> I think that the fact that they are a movement and trying to grow a community is actually a benefit to Kantara - I think our intentions are aligned and there are a few domain overlaps. 
> 
> Now, whether joining versus sponsoring will be more effective - your guess is as good as mine :)
> If it's cheap and does not require much time, then joining benefit-cost seems favourable...
> 
> andrew.
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:50 AM Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs at gmail.com <mailto:kendaggtbs at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Colin,
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> I’m in agreement with Eve’s point of view. I don’t see anything that they produce or plan to produce.
> 
> Saying that, though, there could be an opportunity for greater exposure for Kantara through MyData community activities.
> 
> I’m okay with a membership for a year or two to see where things go.
> 
> Ken
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM Colin Wallis Kantara <colin at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:colin at kantarainitiative.org>> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> So far I have 2 Yes.
> 
> To Eve's point, my own POV is that it is too early to tell.
> Heck, they are only establishing the org tomorrow, and they are doing it in a kind of commonsy way.
> They make statements about ambitions to do real standards work, but it's too early to know if that will become a reality.
> So personally I think it is too early to make a judgement on that..
> And indeed the fact that they haven't done real work yet, does offer an opportunity for Kantara..
> My 2c..
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
> To be very up front about it, I’m wondering what it produces other than community (conferences, “hubs”, podcasts...). Lots of people have their “hearts in the right place”, but I see no other hard deliverables and no governance structure to produce any. Am I missing something? Producing “talk” is fine, but does it actually advance Kantara’s goals farther than they would be advanced otherwise, e.g. by attending and participating in (and maybe sponsoring) the conference?
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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Colin Wallis Kantara <colin at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:colin at kantarainitiative.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> Many of you know or know of MyData.  
>> 
>> https://mydata.org/ <https://mydata.org/>
>> 
>> Once upon a time, there was talk of them being incubated by Kantara, similar to the ID Pro model. But we couldn't agree terms so they have proceeded to do their own thing.
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>> Nonetheless there is a good level of support cross-over and we have a congenial relationship if not a hugely mutually supportive one. 
>> 
>> Typically I would not consider Kantara paying fees to another non profit, but this one has borrowed much from our model and from an ethics and ethos POV very similar.
>> 
>> So I think that in this case, it's reasonable to consider it, (and as Andrew suggested when I ran this past him yesterday) even if for a year or so to see how it goes.
>> 
>> Cost is very reasonable (non profits get 50% off a membership fee, and Kantara is classed as a micro business in EU terms) brings us in at €250 and about the same in US$.
>> 
>> https://mydata.org/mydata-global-membership-application/ <https://mydata.org/mydata-global-membership-application/>  
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>> In your opinion Chairs, Yes or No?
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>> Reply All by return please.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Colin
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