[KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Colin Wallis Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz
Wed Jan 16 15:59:16 EST 2013

Great line of thinking and summary thoughts Andrew

Broadly speaking, I agree with all of it.

Determining what the value is, is the first and very important step. Extracting the value in terms of $$ is perhaps the harder step...


From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 9:47 a.m.
To: Palmer, Pete; Colin Wallis; Kantara Leadership Council Kantara
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Hi Colin - is this discussion partly about Kantara's role in the world?

We are (I think) a Trust Framework Provider; a platform for groups to collaborate on internet identity work; a membership comprised of leaders, experts and practitioners in the field.

Currently, operating and enhancement funds are generated from the Assurance Program fees and Memberships.

Are we looking to establish additional KI Programs, each with their own revenue streams?

My feeling, since going head-deep into Kantara over the last year, is that KI fills a unique place in the internet identity world, and would do very well if the end result of our work is a trustworthy and trusted marketplace for identity-reliant services.

Perhaps this is the 'market maker' point of view. With no market participants, our services are not required. With no underpinning trust model, conformance, audit, etc there can be no real open market.

The idea is not that KI exerts any particular control over the market, but rather makes the tools by which participants are able to trust each other and negotiate real-world transaction contracts.

Maybe it's the idea of formalizing the common language rules - the 'grammar' of identity trust, if you will.

If so, the KI role could be to create and sell documentation of the grammar, tests to check valid use, teaching how to express using the grammar, translation between 'FICAM grammar' and 'ISO29115 grammar', research into new forms of expression, etc.

Is that the value that KI brings?


Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP
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From: Pete Palmer <pete.palmer at surescripts.com<mailto:pete.palmer at surescripts.com>>
Date: Wednesday, 9 January, 2013 1:52 PM
To: Colin Wallis <colin_wallis at hotmail.com<mailto:colin_wallis at hotmail.com>>, Kantara Leadership Council Kantara <lc at kantarainitiative.org<mailto:lc at kantarainitiative.org>>
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Thanks, Colin.  This is a good assessment of the current state of affairs and the opportunities/challenges that we have immediately in front of us.

How have other organizations, such as OASIS, prevailed over the long haul?

I'm also optimistic that that, if played correctly, the healthcare sector can be tapped for a lot of assessments and approvals, as well as a new crop of dues-paying membership.  We will be well represented at the HIMSS conference ( http://www.himssconference.org<http://www.himssconference.org>/ ) and can hopefully make a lot of progress there.

Is it in our interest to consider hosting a conference of our own?  Is that even allowed?

Thanks again everyone.

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From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org<mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org> [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Colin Wallis
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:01 AM
To: Kantara Leadership Council Kantara
Subject: [KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Fellow LCers

Welcome to 2013

I've given this some thought and while there are lots of things - from playing in higher LoA, better European presence, more support on all our great, really great, work etc - it means nothing if Kantara can't keep going.

None of it is worth the electrons used on this email if our business model is not sustainable.

I was reminded of that just yesterday in talking with another LC member.

It's great we have a good pipeline of Assessors to certify and IdPs wanting approval, and some motivated individuals and entities stepping up to seriously play. but that revenue generated from that alone will not take us to where we want to go.

I don't have the answer, but I sure know it's a problem, and I ask that we put it on the agenda today, and every call to follow, till we have a plan of action.

This is not just the Board's, or Joni's, or the LC's job - it is the job that actually the whole Kantara community must apply itself to, if we are to ride the waves the likes of NSTIC, EUSTIC and the other 'STIC's that give us opportunities.

But the LC is the leadership and the LC needs to deliver on this.

I sense, and maybe you sense too, that Kantara has a great wave in its sights, paddling like hell to get on it, and a whole beach full of folks are watching it. I have never before sensed so much Kantara mind share that I sense now. When folks find out that you are an active member of Kantara, haven't you noticed recently how there is a subtle change in their demeanor towards you? Maybe that's just in the US and around the NSTIC/IDESG space, but I get that 'unsaid' feeling that they know much of the solution lies in this organisation and they are kind of depending on it to deliver.

Hard decisions, and perhaps not always comfortable decisions will have to made. Some of you know that OASIS went through this a few years back. We are at that place now. Let us take some inspiration from that, as an example of how organisations can come out stronger for the experience.  Kantara should be one of them.


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