[KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Andrew Hughes andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 16 15:47:00 EST 2013

Hi Colin ­ is this discussion partly about Kantara's role in the world?

We are (I think) a Trust Framework Provider; a platform for groups to
collaborate on internet identity work; a membership comprised of leaders,
experts and practitioners in the field.

Currently, operating and enhancement funds are generated from the Assurance
Program fees and Memberships.

Are we looking to establish additional KI Programs, each with their own
revenue streams?

My feeling, since going head-deep into Kantara over the last year, is that
KI fills a unique place in the internet identity world, and would do very
well if the end result of our work is a trustworthy and trusted marketplace
for identity-reliant services.

Perhaps this is the 'market maker' point of view. With no market
participants, our services are not required. With no underpinning trust
model, conformance, audit, etc there can be no real open market.

The idea is not that KI exerts any particular control over the market, but
rather makes the tools by which participants are able to trust each other
and negotiate real-world transaction contracts.

Maybe it's the idea of formalizing the common language rules ­ the 'grammar'
of identity trust, if you will.

If so, the KI role could be to create and sell documentation of the grammar,
tests to check valid use, teaching how to express using the grammar,
translation between 'FICAM grammar' and 'ISO29115 grammar', research into
new forms of expression, etc.

Is that the value that KI brings?


Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP
In Turn Information Management Consulting
+1 250.888.9474
1249 Palmer Road,
Victoria, BC V8P 2H8
AndrewHughes3000 at gmail.com
Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

From:  Pete Palmer <pete.palmer at surescripts.com>
Date:  Wednesday, 9 January, 2013 1:52 PM
To:  Colin Wallis <colin_wallis at hotmail.com>, Kantara Leadership Council
Kantara <lc at kantarainitiative.org>
Subject:  Re: [KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Thanks, Colin.  This is a good assessment of the current state of affairs
and the opportunities/challenges that we have immediately in front of us.
How have other organizations, such as OASIS, prevailed over the long haul?
I¹m also optimistic that that, if played correctly, the healthcare sector
can be tapped for a lot of assessments and approvals, as well as a new crop
of dues-paying membership.  We will be well represented at the HIMSS
conference ( http://www.himssconference.org <http://www.himssconference.org>
/ ) and can hopefully make a lot of progress there.
Is it in our interest to consider hosting a conference of our own?  Is that
even allowed?
Thanks again everyone.
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[mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Colin Wallis
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:01 AM
To: Kantara Leadership Council Kantara
Subject: [KI-LC] 2013 Roadmap ideas topic on the LC agenda..

Fellow LCers

Welcome to 2013

I've given this some thought and while there are lots of things - from
playing in higher LoA, better European presence, more support on all our
great, really great, work etc - it means nothing if Kantara can't keep

None of it is worth the electrons used on this email if our business model
is not sustainable.

I was reminded of that just yesterday in talking with another LC member.

It's great we have a good pipeline of Assessors to certify and IdPs wanting
approval, and some motivated individuals and entities stepping up to
seriously play. but that revenue generated from that alone will not take us
to where we want to go.

I don't have the answer, but I sure know it's a problem, and I ask that we
put it on the agenda today, and every call to follow, till we have a plan of

This is not just the Board's, or Joni's, or the LC's job - it is the job
that actually the whole Kantara community must apply itself to, if we are to
ride the waves the likes of NSTIC, EUSTIC and the other 'STIC's that give us

But the LC is the leadership and the LC needs to deliver on this.

I sense, and maybe you sense too, that Kantara has a great wave in its
sights, paddling like hell to get on it, and a whole beach full of folks are
watching it. I have never before sensed so much Kantara mind share that I
sense now. When folks find out that you are an active member of Kantara,
haven't you noticed recently how there is a subtle change in their demeanor
towards you? Maybe that's just in the US and around the NSTIC/IDESG space,
but I get that 'unsaid' feeling that they know much of the solution lies in
this organisation and they are kind of depending on it to deliver.

Hard decisions, and perhaps not always comfortable decisions will have to
made. Some of you know that OASIS went through this a few years back. We are
at that place now. Let us take some inspiration from that, as an example of
how organisations can come out stronger for the experience.  Kantara should
be one of them. 


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