[KI-LC] Fwd: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW

Joe Andrieu joe at switchbook.com
Thu Oct 29 16:52:30 EDT 2009


Brett,

Thanks. The issue is, IMO, less about managing process and more about 
managing liability.

I look forward to hearing what they suggest.

-j

On 10/29/2009 1:31 PM, Brett McDowell wrote:
> Update: I've escalated this whole policy question to counsel for
> specific guidance.  Stay tuned.
>
> ---
> Sent from my mobile phone
>
> On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:50 PM, "J. Trent Adams"<adams at isoc.org>  wrote:
>
>> Joni et al. -
>>
>> If I understand correctly, all Contributions (as defined in the IPR
>> Policies) to the group are considered protected.  For example, if you
>> say something in a meeting that's recorded, it's a Contribution.  On
>> the
>> other hand, it it's rejected and not written into the record, it's
>> as if
>> it was never spoken.
>>
>> There's a slight difference in the nature of email discussions,
>> though,
>> as anything "spoken" is automatically written into the record for the
>> group.  In that way, all email comments are protected IP.
>>
>> I believe it's a slippery slope to allow conversations to take place
>> with a mix of people who have and have not signed the group's GPA.
>> Then
>> it's really up to the Chair to manage the conversation in sync with
>> the
>> Secretary to ensure comments made by an observer don't make their way
>> into the written record (i.e. that they're not Contributed to the
>> group).
>>
>> IMO, That's a lot to ask of a Chair during an energetic discussion.
>> Consider if someone who hasn't signed the GPA says something that
>> sparks
>> an idea by someone who has signed the GPA which is subsequently
>> written
>> into the minutes (i.e. Contributed).  I'm not sure how the Chair can
>> be
>> expected to unpack what was brought to the table by the visitor.
>>
>> I believe it's safer to simply designate some meetings as
>> "Official" (in
>> which full IPR rules are in force) and "Unofficial" in which they're
>> handled more like an informal conversation.  Despite it's obvious
>> flaws,
>> at least the delineation makes it more clear to downstream lawyers
>> we've
>> done what we can to ensure clean IP.
>>
>> YMMV,
>> Trent
>>
>>
>> Joni Brennan wrote:
>>> One part that concerns me is if we want to set a precedent that IP
>>> must be accepted to be considered valid.  It might be ok to do so but
>>> I"m not sure if it's a precedent we want to set.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Britta Glade
>>> <britta at kantarainitiative.org<mailto:britta at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     This is a key question to spinning up some discussion around the
>>>     guidelines we wanted to develop for how to conduct non-WG meetings
>>>     that are public (ie. an unconference session specific to one of
>>>     your topics of interest).  I was thinking we'd covered it pretty
>>>     well in our LC discussion yesterday, but was looking to create
>>>     some guidelines that included some scenarios.  I think Eve's very
>>>     succinct statement that "When a group *accepts* feedback, that is
>>>     the point at which IPR must be invoked (and therefore reflected in
>>>     the minutes with contributing individual noted, who had already
>>>     completed the GPA in order to be participating in said formal
>>>     meeting)."
>>>
>>>     This is where we need some agreement as to what applies to what is
>>>     being "accepted"--so to below: 1) use cases, 2) scenarios, 3)
>>>     critique of spec text, 4) revisions, 5) etc?
>>>
>>>     Thoughts?  This is probably something we need input from counsel
>>>     on, but I wanted to get some thoughts first.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>     --b.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Eve Maler<eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>     <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>         This softened version looks great, though it will cause chairs
>>>         to ask
>>>         next: What constitutes a contribution of unlicensed IP?  Would
>>>         scenarios and use cases (problem-space descriptions) carry
>>> IP, or
>>>         not?  I assume critiques of spec text and suggested revisions
>>>         would.
>>>
>>>                Eve
>>>
>>>         On 29 Oct 2009, at 4:24 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attached is a redline with some suggested changes that
>>>         emphasize the
>>>> scenario of letting folks participate in the meeting even
>>>         without
>>>> signing a GPA.  I do not believe we must require them to
>>>         either sign
>>>> the GPA or be 100% silent in the meeting.  The only thing we are
>>>> trying to prevent with this process is someone (knowingly or
>>>> unknowingly) "submarining" unlicensed IP into the WG's output.
>>>> There is a lot of opportunity for discussion participation in a
>>>> meeting that doesn't come close to making an IP contribution
>>>         to a
>>>> work product.  I tried to emphasize that in this revision.
>>>> <Kantara F2F participation policy v2_redline.doc>
>>>> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>         <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>   |
>>>          http://KantaraInitiative.org<http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:07 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eve et al. -
>>>>>
>>>>> Following this thread, I've attached the proposed procedure
>>>>> document for
>>>>> handling events like the UMA meeting before IIW next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give it a read and see if you spot any issues needing to be
>>>>> addressed.
>>>>> Otherwise, it'd be great to feed Eve's reaction post-event
>>>         into it
>>>>> so we
>>>>> can create a process doc for the wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Trent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Eve Maler<eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>  <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>
>>>>>>> *Date: *28 October 2009 12:37:18 PM PDT
>>>>>>> *To: *"Dervla O'Reilly"<dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>>>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Kantara Staff list<staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject: **Re: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great to know!  In case this is of interest as "pre-feedback"
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> having seen the written guidance, here is what I've done to
>>>>>>> prepare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - We're not anticipating a lot of walkups due to the nature,
>>>>>>> timing,
>>>>>>> and location of the meeting.  I'll blog it ahead of time
>>>         (tomorrow)
>>>>>>> and ask anyone who's thinking of attending to get in
>>>         touch ASAP.
>>>>>>> - I therefore haven't made a sign, but will watch
>>>         carefully, in my
>>>>>>> chair role, to ensure that I can positively identify
>>>         every attendee
>>>>>>> and put them into buckets: existing participant, new
>>>         participant
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> has signed in some fashion, or new person who has agreed to
>>>>>>> remain a
>>>>>>> silent observer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I doctored the document you sent me with the following
>>>>>>> handwritten
>>>>>>> notations, and will make a few Xerox copies ahead of time:
>>>>>>> . Page 1: I gave it a headline of *IPR "Liberty Option"*
>>>         and also
>>>>>>> wrote that it *Applies to participation in Kantara
>>>         User-Managed
>>>>>>> Access WG*
>>>>>>> . Page 5 (last page): I added fields as follows (I still
>>>         don't like
>>>>>>> "active" vs. "observer" for the voting/non-voting
>>>         distinction, and
>>>>>>> thus haven't used those words! what would I call true passive
>>>>>>> observers, then?...):
>>>>>>>   - EMAIL FOR LIST SUBSCRIPTION: __________
>>>>>>>   - PARTICIPATION LENGTH: [ ] ONGOING [ ] TODAY ONLY
>>>>>>>   - PARTICIPATION STATUS: [ ] VOTING [ ] NON-VOTING
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I printed out the current KI membership roster to have
>>>         on hand (I
>>>>>>> don't currently have the names of the primary reps, though)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Finally, I printed out some supporting materials to have on
>>>>>>> hand in
>>>>>>> case anyone wants chapter and verse:
>>>>>>> . The online "Join This Group" page
>>>>>>> . The charter for the group
>>>>>>> . The IPR Options page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if I'm missing anything.  Thanks...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:00 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sent my guidance draft to Roger and Trent, hope to
>>>         have that
>>>>>>>> turned around shortly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>>> ________________________
>>>>>>>> Dervla O’Reilly
>>>>>>>> Event&  Membership Manager
>>>>>>>> Kantara Initiative
>>>>>>>> +1 415 731 4487 business
>>>>>>>> +1 415 948 3650 mobile
>>>>>>>> +1 509 757 4487 fax
>>>>>>>> dervla[at]kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>> http://www.kantarainitiative.org
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>>>         <http://www.kantarainitiative.org/
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excellent point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to ask Dervla to take the lead on drafting
>>>         that guidance
>>>>>>>>> page (Dervla, can you take that on before IIW?).  We'll get
>>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>>> from Trent and Roger S. (as reps from the "two houses")
>>>         and then
>>>>>>>>> promote it as "policy".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>         <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>  |
>>>         http://kantarainitiative.org<http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Eve Maler
>>>         <eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Good point! It sounds like we have enough material
>>>         here for a
>>>>>>>>>   guidance page on the wiki. :-) Anyone up for that?...
>>>         With IIW
>>>>>>>>>   coming and other conferences ahead, ad hoc KI group
>>>         meetings
>>>>>>>>>   are sure to follow, so guidance would be good to have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Eve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On 23 Oct 2009, at 8:14 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   And there's one more important point I don't see being
>>>>>>>>>>   discussed... remember in Las Vegas we had those little
>>>>>>>>>>   stickers? (don't worry, I'm not suggesting stickers)
>>>          I want
>>>>>>>>>>   to remind everyone why we had the stickers.  It was
>>>         so the
>>>>>>>>>>   Chair knew who was in the room who HAD NOT SIGNED
>>>         any GPA or
>>>>>>>>>>   IPR agreement.  In other words, it's TOTALLY FINE to
>>>         have
>>>>>>>>>>   folks in the meeting who have signed nothing.  The
>>>         only caveat
>>>>>>>>>>   is the Chair needs to be mindful of those folks and
>>>         exercise
>>>>>>>>>>   their professional judgement to disallow them from
>>>>>>>>>>   contributing what would be un-licensed (and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>   un-licensable) IPR into the groups' output.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   P.S.
>>>>>>>>>>   If you get attendees who are not members I would
>>>         also like to
>>>>>>>>>>   know so I can follow-up with them and start a recruiting
>>>>>>>>>>   effort to bring them onboard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>         <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>   <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>  |
>>>>>>>>>>   http://kantarainitiative.org
>>>         <http://kantarainitiative.org/>  <http://
>>> kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eve Maler
>>>         <eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>>>   <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>       Thanks! In this case, maybe that list of primary
>>>         members
>>>>>>>>>>       would be helpful, just in case. But honestly, I
>>>         don't
>>>>>>>>>>       anticipate a lot of walkups since the IIW
>>>         conference isn't
>>>>>>>>>>       going on that day. (I'll get the word out to the
>>>         community
>>>>>>>>>>       that contacting me first is a good idea for new
>>>         people.)
>>>>>>>>>>       Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       On 22 Oct 2009, at 6:41 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>>       <eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>           Ah, this document is just the "Option
>>>         Liberty" text,
>>>>>>>>>>>           is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>>           Cool.  And I assume I can also mark on the
>>>         form (or
>>>>>>>>>>>           simply ask them)
>>>>>>>>>>>           whether they want to be a voting ("active") or
>>>>>>>>>>>           non-voting ("observer")
>>>>>>>>>>>           participant going forward?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       That's not on the form Derv sent so yes you can
>>>         ask them
>>>>>>>>>>>       and mark it down.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           If anyone whose company is a KI member but
>>>         isn't yet
>>>>>>>>>>>           a participant
>>>>>>>>>>>           shows up, do I have to actually call their
>>>         primary
>>>>>>>>>>>           member person
>>>>>>>>>>>           before I can let them in?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       Even if their company is a KI member and even
>>>         if they are
>>>>>>>>>>>       already in other groups we need the primary
>>>         authority for
>>>>>>>>>>>       any new group joined.  Yes, and they should be
>>>         able to
>>>>>>>>>>>       make that call for you - while you are with them I
>>>>>>>>>>>       suppose.  That's how we did a few in LV.  If
>>>         you know of
>>>>>>>>>>>       any ahead of time that will help so maybe
>>>         Dervla can
>>>>>>>>>>>       reach out to them before the event.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       PS - we also used some judgement like for Gael
>>>         who could
>>>>>>>>>>>       not reach Aude in France.  We let him sign and
>>>         got the
>>>>>>>>>>>       approval afterward.  It's most important that
>>>         they sign
>>>>>>>>>>>       if they want to join the group or if they want to
>>>>>>>>>>>       contribute IP.  If they just want to be in the
>>>         room I
>>>>>>>>>>>       would not force signing upon them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       If they are not members of KI already then they
>>>         can self
>>>>>>>>>>>       assert their own authority to sign.  I know
>>>         this is going
>>>>>>>>>>>       to be a great event for you guys =).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       thx!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           Thanks...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                  Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           On 22 Oct 2009, at 4:23 PM, Dervla O'Reilly
>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great stuff!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can make note of the attendance and share
>>>>>>>>>>>           with me, that would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be terrific.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Newcomers who have not already signed the GPA and
>>>>>>>>>>>           are not members
>>>>>>>>>>>> will need to sign the attached file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I see you have a potential attendees list.  For
>>>>>>>>>>>           those newcomers to
>>>>>>>>>>>> your group who are already members, you will need
>>>>>>>>>>>           to reach the
>>>>>>>>>>>> primary contact of that member company.  I can send
>>>>>>>>>>>           you the primary
>>>>>>>>>>>> member list if you wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I think we're good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>> <KANTARA INITIATIVE IPR>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll probably want to have reference to the
>>>>>>>>>>>           primary contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks-- My UMA group is planning to hold a F2F
>>>>>>>>>>>           meeting at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer History Museum on Monday afternoon, 2 Nov
>>>>>>>>>>>           2009; the IIW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizers kindly agreed we could meet on-site
>>>>>>>>>>>           that day.  I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to provide a sign and a signup sheet to manage the
>>>>>>>>>>>           group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreement aspects.  Is there anything else I need
>>>>>>>>>>>           to do?  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>>           eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>>>>>       Joni Brennan
>>>>>>>>>>>       IEEE-ISTO
>>>>>>>>>>>       Kantara Initiative
>>>>>>>>>>>       Director of Technology Programs
>>>>>>>>>>>       voice:+1 732-226-4223
>>>>>>>>>>>       email: joni @ ieee-isto.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>       eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>       http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>   eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>   http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>         <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com<mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>>
>>>>> Outreach Specialist, Trust&  Identity
>>>>> Internet Society
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>>>>>
>>>>> e) adams at isoc.org<mailto:adams at isoc.org>
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