[KI-LC] Fwd: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW

Brett McDowell email at brettmcdowell.com
Thu Oct 29 16:31:58 EDT 2009


Update: I've escalated this whole policy question to counsel for
specific guidance.  Stay tuned.

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On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:50 PM, "J. Trent Adams" <adams at isoc.org> wrote:

> Joni et al. -
>
> If I understand correctly, all Contributions (as defined in the IPR
> Policies) to the group are considered protected.  For example, if you
> say something in a meeting that's recorded, it's a Contribution.  On
> the
> other hand, it it's rejected and not written into the record, it's
> as if
> it was never spoken.
>
> There's a slight difference in the nature of email discussions,
> though,
> as anything "spoken" is automatically written into the record for the
> group.  In that way, all email comments are protected IP.
>
> I believe it's a slippery slope to allow conversations to take place
> with a mix of people who have and have not signed the group's GPA.
> Then
> it's really up to the Chair to manage the conversation in sync with
> the
> Secretary to ensure comments made by an observer don't make their way
> into the written record (i.e. that they're not Contributed to the
> group).
>
> IMO, That's a lot to ask of a Chair during an energetic discussion.
> Consider if someone who hasn't signed the GPA says something that
> sparks
> an idea by someone who has signed the GPA which is subsequently
> written
> into the minutes (i.e. Contributed).  I'm not sure how the Chair can
> be
> expected to unpack what was brought to the table by the visitor.
>
> I believe it's safer to simply designate some meetings as
> "Official" (in
> which full IPR rules are in force) and "Unofficial" in which they're
> handled more like an informal conversation.  Despite it's obvious
> flaws,
> at least the delineation makes it more clear to downstream lawyers
> we've
> done what we can to ensure clean IP.
>
> YMMV,
> Trent
>
>
> Joni Brennan wrote:
>> One part that concerns me is if we want to set a precedent that IP
>> must be accepted to be considered valid.  It might be ok to do so but
>> I"m not sure if it's a precedent we want to set.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Britta Glade
>> <britta at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:britta at kantarainitiative.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    This is a key question to spinning up some discussion around the
>>    guidelines we wanted to develop for how to conduct non-WG meetings
>>    that are public (ie. an unconference session specific to one of
>>    your topics of interest).  I was thinking we'd covered it pretty
>>    well in our LC discussion yesterday, but was looking to create
>>    some guidelines that included some scenarios.  I think Eve's very
>>    succinct statement that "When a group *accepts* feedback, that is
>>    the point at which IPR must be invoked (and therefore reflected in
>>    the minutes with contributing individual noted, who had already
>>    completed the GPA in order to be participating in said formal
>>    meeting)."
>>
>>    This is where we need some agreement as to what applies to what is
>>    being "accepted"--so to below: 1) use cases, 2) scenarios, 3)
>>    critique of spec text, 4) revisions, 5) etc?
>>
>>    Thoughts?  This is probably something we need input from counsel
>>    on, but I wanted to get some thoughts first.  Thanks.
>>
>>    --b.
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>    <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>
>>        This softened version looks great, though it will cause chairs
>>        to ask
>>        next: What constitutes a contribution of unlicensed IP?  Would
>>        scenarios and use cases (problem-space descriptions) carry
>> IP, or
>>        not?  I assume critiques of spec text and suggested revisions
>>        would.
>>
>>               Eve
>>
>>        On 29 Oct 2009, at 4:24 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>
>>> Attached is a redline with some suggested changes that
>>        emphasize the
>>> scenario of letting folks participate in the meeting even
>>        without
>>> signing a GPA.  I do not believe we must require them to
>>        either sign
>>> the GPA or be 100% silent in the meeting.  The only thing we are
>>> trying to prevent with this process is someone (knowingly or
>>> unknowingly) "submarining" unlicensed IP into the WG's output.
>>> There is a lot of opportunity for discussion participation in a
>>> meeting that doesn't come close to making an IP contribution
>>        to a
>>> work product.  I tried to emphasize that in this revision.
>>> <Kantara F2F participation policy v2_redline.doc>
>>> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>        <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>  |
>>         http://KantaraInitiative.org <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:07 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eve et al. -
>>>>
>>>> Following this thread, I've attached the proposed procedure
>>>> document for
>>>> handling events like the UMA meeting before IIW next week.
>>>>
>>>> Give it a read and see if you spot any issues needing to be
>>>> addressed.
>>>> Otherwise, it'd be great to feed Eve's reaction post-event
>>        into it
>>>> so we
>>>> can create a process doc for the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> - Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>
>>>>>> *Date: *28 October 2009 12:37:18 PM PDT
>>>>>> *To: *"Dervla O'Reilly" <dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>        <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>        <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>>>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Kantara Staff list <staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>        <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>        <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>>>
>>>>>> *Subject: **Re: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great to know!  In case this is of interest as "pre-feedback"
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> having seen the written guidance, here is what I've done to
>>>>>> prepare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - We're not anticipating a lot of walkups due to the nature,
>>>>>> timing,
>>>>>> and location of the meeting.  I'll blog it ahead of time
>>        (tomorrow)
>>>>>> and ask anyone who's thinking of attending to get in
>>        touch ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I therefore haven't made a sign, but will watch
>>        carefully, in my
>>>>>> chair role, to ensure that I can positively identify
>>        every attendee
>>>>>> and put them into buckets: existing participant, new
>>        participant
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> has signed in some fashion, or new person who has agreed to
>>>>>> remain a
>>>>>> silent observer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I doctored the document you sent me with the following
>>>>>> handwritten
>>>>>> notations, and will make a few Xerox copies ahead of time:
>>>>>> . Page 1: I gave it a headline of *IPR "Liberty Option"*
>>        and also
>>>>>> wrote that it *Applies to participation in Kantara
>>        User-Managed
>>>>>> Access WG*
>>>>>> . Page 5 (last page): I added fields as follows (I still
>>        don't like
>>>>>> "active" vs. "observer" for the voting/non-voting
>>        distinction, and
>>>>>> thus haven't used those words! what would I call true passive
>>>>>> observers, then?...):
>>>>>>  - EMAIL FOR LIST SUBSCRIPTION: __________
>>>>>>  - PARTICIPATION LENGTH: [ ] ONGOING [ ] TODAY ONLY
>>>>>>  - PARTICIPATION STATUS: [ ] VOTING [ ] NON-VOTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I printed out the current KI membership roster to have
>>        on hand (I
>>>>>> don't currently have the names of the primary reps, though)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Finally, I printed out some supporting materials to have on
>>>>>> hand in
>>>>>> case anyone wants chapter and verse:
>>>>>> . The online "Join This Group" page
>>>>>> . The charter for the group
>>>>>> . The IPR Options page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if I'm missing anything.  Thanks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:00 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sent my guidance draft to Roger and Trent, hope to
>>        have that
>>>>>>> turned around shortly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>> ________________________
>>>>>>> Dervla O’Reilly
>>>>>>> Event & Membership Manager
>>>>>>> Kantara Initiative
>>>>>>> +1 415 731 4487 business
>>>>>>> +1 415 948 3650 mobile
>>>>>>> +1 509 757 4487 fax
>>>>>>> dervla[at]kantarainitiative.org
>>        <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>> http://www.kantarainitiative.org
>>        <http://www.kantarainitiative.org/>
>>        <http://www.kantarainitiative.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excellent point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to ask Dervla to take the lead on drafting
>>        that guidance
>>>>>>>> page (Dervla, can you take that on before IIW?).  We'll get
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> from Trent and Roger S. (as reps from the "two houses")
>>        and then
>>>>>>>> promote it as "policy".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>        <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>
>>>>>>>> <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> |
>>        http://kantarainitiative.org <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>> <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Eve Maler
>>        <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Good point! It sounds like we have enough material
>>        here for a
>>>>>>>>  guidance page on the wiki. :-) Anyone up for that?...
>>        With IIW
>>>>>>>>  coming and other conferences ahead, ad hoc KI group
>>        meetings
>>>>>>>>  are sure to follow, so guidance would be good to have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Eve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 23 Oct 2009, at 8:14 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  And there's one more important point I don't see being
>>>>>>>>>  discussed... remember in Las Vegas we had those little
>>>>>>>>>  stickers? (don't worry, I'm not suggesting stickers)
>>         I want
>>>>>>>>>  to remind everyone why we had the stickers.  It was
>>        so the
>>>>>>>>>  Chair knew who was in the room who HAD NOT SIGNED
>>        any GPA or
>>>>>>>>>  IPR agreement.  In other words, it's TOTALLY FINE to
>>        have
>>>>>>>>>  folks in the meeting who have signed nothing.  The
>>        only caveat
>>>>>>>>>  is the Chair needs to be mindful of those folks and
>>        exercise
>>>>>>>>>  their professional judgement to disallow them from
>>>>>>>>>  contributing what would be un-licensed (and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>  un-licensable) IPR into the groups' output.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  P.S.
>>>>>>>>>  If you get attendees who are not members I would
>>        also like to
>>>>>>>>>  know so I can follow-up with them and start a recruiting
>>>>>>>>>  effort to bring them onboard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>        <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/>
>>>>>>>>>  <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> |
>>>>>>>>>  http://kantarainitiative.org
>>        <http://kantarainitiative.org/> <http://
>> kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eve Maler
>>        <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>>
>>        wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Thanks! In this case, maybe that list of primary
>>        members
>>>>>>>>>      would be helpful, just in case. But honestly, I
>>        don't
>>>>>>>>>      anticipate a lot of walkups since the IIW
>>        conference isn't
>>>>>>>>>      going on that day. (I'll get the word out to the
>>        community
>>>>>>>>>      that contacting me first is a good idea for new
>>        people.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Eve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      On 22 Oct 2009, at 6:41 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>      <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, this document is just the "Option
>>        Liberty" text,
>>>>>>>>>>          is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>          Cool.  And I assume I can also mark on the
>>        form (or
>>>>>>>>>>          simply ask them)
>>>>>>>>>>          whether they want to be a voting ("active") or
>>>>>>>>>>          non-voting ("observer")
>>>>>>>>>>          participant going forward?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      That's not on the form Derv sent so yes you can
>>        ask them
>>>>>>>>>>      and mark it down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          If anyone whose company is a KI member but
>>        isn't yet
>>>>>>>>>>          a participant
>>>>>>>>>>          shows up, do I have to actually call their
>>        primary
>>>>>>>>>>          member person
>>>>>>>>>>          before I can let them in?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Even if their company is a KI member and even
>>        if they are
>>>>>>>>>>      already in other groups we need the primary
>>        authority for
>>>>>>>>>>      any new group joined.  Yes, and they should be
>>        able to
>>>>>>>>>>      make that call for you - while you are with them I
>>>>>>>>>>      suppose.  That's how we did a few in LV.  If
>>        you know of
>>>>>>>>>>      any ahead of time that will help so maybe
>>        Dervla can
>>>>>>>>>>      reach out to them before the event.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      PS - we also used some judgement like for Gael
>>        who could
>>>>>>>>>>      not reach Aude in France.  We let him sign and
>>        got the
>>>>>>>>>>      approval afterward.  It's most important that
>>        they sign
>>>>>>>>>>      if they want to join the group or if they want to
>>>>>>>>>>      contribute IP.  If they just want to be in the
>>        room I
>>>>>>>>>>      would not force signing upon them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      If they are not members of KI already then they
>>        can self
>>>>>>>>>>      assert their own authority to sign.  I know
>>        this is going
>>>>>>>>>>      to be a great event for you guys =).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      thx!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Thanks...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          On 22 Oct 2009, at 4:23 PM, Dervla O'Reilly
>>        wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great stuff!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you can make note of the attendance and share
>>>>>>>>>>          with me, that would
>>>>>>>>>>> be terrific.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Newcomers who have not already signed the GPA and
>>>>>>>>>>          are not members
>>>>>>>>>>> will need to sign the attached file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see you have a potential attendees list.  For
>>>>>>>>>>          those newcomers to
>>>>>>>>>>> your group who are already members, you will need
>>>>>>>>>>          to reach the
>>>>>>>>>>> primary contact of that member company.  I can send
>>>>>>>>>>          you the primary
>>>>>>>>>>> member list if you wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I think we're good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> <KANTARA INITIATIVE IPR>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You'll probably want to have reference to the
>>>>>>>>>>          primary contact
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks-- My UMA group is planning to hold a F2F
>>>>>>>>>>          meeting at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer History Museum on Monday afternoon, 2 Nov
>>>>>>>>>>          2009; the IIW
>>>>>>>>>>>> organizers kindly agreed we could meet on-site
>>>>>>>>>>          that day.  I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>>>> to provide a sign and a signup sheet to manage the
>>>>>>>>>>          group
>>>>>>>>>>>> participation
>>>>>>>>>>>> agreement aspects.  Is there anything else I need
>>>>>>>>>>          to do?  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Eve
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>>          eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>          http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      --
>>>>>>>>>>      Joni Brennan
>>>>>>>>>>      IEEE-ISTO
>>>>>>>>>>      Kantara Initiative
>>>>>>>>>>      Director of Technology Programs
>>>>>>>>>>      voice:+1 732-226-4223
>>>>>>>>>>      email: joni @ ieee-isto.org
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>      eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>>      http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>  eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>>>>  http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>        <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
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