[KI-LC] Fwd: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW

Eve Maler eve at xmlgrrl.com
Thu Oct 29 11:56:16 EDT 2009


This softened version looks great, though it will cause chairs to ask  
next: What constitutes a contribution of unlicensed IP?  Would  
scenarios and use cases (problem-space descriptions) carry IP, or  
not?  I assume critiques of spec text and suggested revisions would.

	Eve

On 29 Oct 2009, at 4:24 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:

> Attached is a redline with some suggested changes that emphasize the  
> scenario of letting folks participate in the meeting even without  
> signing a GPA.  I do not believe we must require them to either sign  
> the GPA or be 100% silent in the meeting.  The only thing we are  
> trying to prevent with this process is someone (knowingly or  
> unknowingly) "submarining" unlicensed IP into the WG's output.   
> There is a lot of opportunity for discussion participation in a  
> meeting that doesn't come close to making an IP contribution to a  
> work product.  I tried to emphasize that in this revision.
> <Kantara F2F participation policy v2_redline.doc>
> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:07 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>> Eve et al. -
>>
>> Following this thread, I've attached the proposed procedure  
>> document for
>> handling events like the UMA meeting before IIW next week.
>>
>> Give it a read and see if you spot any issues needing to be  
>> addressed.
>> Otherwise, it'd be great to feed Eve's reaction post-event into it  
>> so we
>> can create a process doc for the wiki.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> - Trent
>>
>>
>> Eve Maler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> *From: *Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>> *Date: *28 October 2009 12:37:18 PM PDT
>>>> *To: *"Dervla O'Reilly" <dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>>> *Cc: *Kantara Staff list <staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>>> *Subject: **Re: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW*
>>>>
>>>> Great to know!  In case this is of interest as "pre-feedback"  
>>>> before
>>>> having seen the written guidance, here is what I've done to  
>>>> prepare.
>>>>
>>>> - We're not anticipating a lot of walkups due to the nature,  
>>>> timing,
>>>> and location of the meeting.  I'll blog it ahead of time (tomorrow)
>>>> and ask anyone who's thinking of attending to get in touch ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> - I therefore haven't made a sign, but will watch carefully, in my
>>>> chair role, to ensure that I can positively identify every attendee
>>>> and put them into buckets: existing participant, new participant  
>>>> who
>>>> has signed in some fashion, or new person who has agreed to  
>>>> remain a
>>>> silent observer.
>>>>
>>>> - I doctored the document you sent me with the following  
>>>> handwritten
>>>> notations, and will make a few Xerox copies ahead of time:
>>>> . Page 1: I gave it a headline of *IPR "Liberty Option"* and also
>>>> wrote that it *Applies to participation in Kantara User-Managed
>>>> Access WG*
>>>> . Page 5 (last page): I added fields as follows (I still don't like
>>>> "active" vs. "observer" for the voting/non-voting distinction, and
>>>> thus haven't used those words! what would I call true passive
>>>> observers, then?...):
>>>>   - EMAIL FOR LIST SUBSCRIPTION: __________
>>>>   - PARTICIPATION LENGTH: [ ] ONGOING [ ] TODAY ONLY
>>>>   - PARTICIPATION STATUS: [ ] VOTING [ ] NON-VOTING
>>>>
>>>> - I printed out the current KI membership roster to have on hand (I
>>>> don't currently have the names of the primary reps, though)
>>>>
>>>> - Finally, I printed out some supporting materials to have on  
>>>> hand in
>>>> case anyone wants chapter and verse:
>>>> . The online "Join This Group" page
>>>> . The charter for the group
>>>> . The IPR Options page
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if I'm missing anything.  Thanks...
>>>>
>>>> Eve
>>>>
>>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:00 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I sent my guidance draft to Roger and Trent, hope to have that
>>>>> turned around shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Dervla
>>>>> ________________________
>>>>> Dervla O’Reilly
>>>>> Event & Membership Manager
>>>>> Kantara Initiative
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>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to ask Dervla to take the lead on drafting that guidance
>>>>>> page (Dervla, can you take that on before IIW?).  We'll get  
>>>>>> review
>>>>>> from Trent and Roger S. (as reps from the "two houses") and then
>>>>>> promote it as "policy".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>>>> <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> | http://kantarainitiative.org
>>>>>> <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>>>> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Good point! It sounds like we have enough material here for a
>>>>>>   guidance page on the wiki. :-) Anyone up for that?... With IIW
>>>>>>   coming and other conferences ahead, ad hoc KI group meetings
>>>>>>   are sure to follow, so guidance would be good to have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Eve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 23 Oct 2009, at 8:14 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   And there's one more important point I don't see being
>>>>>>>   discussed... remember in Las Vegas we had those little
>>>>>>>   stickers? (don't worry, I'm not suggesting stickers)  I want
>>>>>>>   to remind everyone why we had the stickers.  It was so the
>>>>>>>   Chair knew who was in the room who HAD NOT SIGNED any GPA or
>>>>>>>   IPR agreement.  In other words, it's TOTALLY FINE to have
>>>>>>>   folks in the meeting who have signed nothing.  The only caveat
>>>>>>>   is the Chair needs to be mindful of those folks and exercise
>>>>>>>   their professional judgement to disallow them from
>>>>>>>   contributing what would be un-licensed (and perhaps
>>>>>>>   un-licensable) IPR into the groups' output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   P.S.
>>>>>>>   If you get attendees who are not members I would also like to
>>>>>>>   know so I can follow-up with them and start a recruiting
>>>>>>>   effort to bring them onboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>>>>>   <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> |
>>>>>>>   http://kantarainitiative.org <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>>>>>   <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Thanks! In this case, maybe that list of primary members
>>>>>>>       would be helpful, just in case. But honestly, I don't
>>>>>>>       anticipate a lot of walkups since the IIW conference isn't
>>>>>>>       going on that day. (I'll get the word out to the community
>>>>>>>       that contacting me first is a good idea for new people.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Eve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       On 22 Oct 2009, at 6:41 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>       <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           Ah, this document is just the "Option Liberty" text,
>>>>>>>>           is that right?
>>>>>>>>           Cool.  And I assume I can also mark on the form (or
>>>>>>>>           simply ask them)
>>>>>>>>           whether they want to be a voting ("active") or
>>>>>>>>           non-voting ("observer")
>>>>>>>>           participant going forward?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       That's not on the form Derv sent so yes you can ask them
>>>>>>>>       and mark it down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           If anyone whose company is a KI member but isn't yet
>>>>>>>>           a participant
>>>>>>>>           shows up, do I have to actually call their primary
>>>>>>>>           member person
>>>>>>>>           before I can let them in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Even if their company is a KI member and even if they are
>>>>>>>>       already in other groups we need the primary authority for
>>>>>>>>       any new group joined.  Yes, and they should be able to
>>>>>>>>       make that call for you - while you are with them I
>>>>>>>>       suppose.  That's how we did a few in LV.  If you know of
>>>>>>>>       any ahead of time that will help so maybe Dervla can
>>>>>>>>       reach out to them before the event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       PS - we also used some judgement like for Gael who could
>>>>>>>>       not reach Aude in France.  We let him sign and got the
>>>>>>>>       approval afterward.  It's most important that they sign
>>>>>>>>       if they want to join the group or if they want to
>>>>>>>>       contribute IP.  If they just want to be in the room I
>>>>>>>>       would not force signing upon them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       If they are not members of KI already then they can self
>>>>>>>>       assert their own authority to sign.  I know this is going
>>>>>>>>       to be a great event for you guys =).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       thx!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           Thanks...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  Eve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           On 22 Oct 2009, at 4:23 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great stuff!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can make note of the attendance and share
>>>>>>>>           with me, that would
>>>>>>>>> be terrific.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Newcomers who have not already signed the GPA and
>>>>>>>>           are not members
>>>>>>>>> will need to sign the attached file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see you have a potential attendees list.  For
>>>>>>>>           those newcomers to
>>>>>>>>> your group who are already members, you will need
>>>>>>>>           to reach the
>>>>>>>>> primary contact of that member company.  I can send
>>>>>>>>           you the primary
>>>>>>>>> member list if you wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I think we're good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> <KANTARA INITIATIVE IPR>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You'll probably want to have reference to the
>>>>>>>>           primary contact
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks-- My UMA group is planning to hold a F2F
>>>>>>>>           meeting at the
>>>>>>>>>> Computer History Museum on Monday afternoon, 2 Nov
>>>>>>>>           2009; the IIW
>>>>>>>>>> organizers kindly agreed we could meet on-site
>>>>>>>>           that day.  I'm
>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>> to provide a sign and a signup sheet to manage the
>>>>>>>>           group
>>>>>>>>>> participation
>>>>>>>>>> agreement aspects.  Is there anything else I need
>>>>>>>>           to do?  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>           eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>           http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>>       Joni Brennan
>>>>>>>>       IEEE-ISTO
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>>>>>>>>       Director of Technology Programs
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Eve Maler
>>>>>>>       eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>       http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Eve Maler
>>>>>>   eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>   http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eve Maler
>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eve Maler
>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>> J. Trent Adams
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>>
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