[KI-LC] Telecon Reminder for October 21 at 15:00 UTC

Cahill, Conor P conor.p.cahill at intel.com
Wed Oct 21 10:30:20 EDT 2009

It's pretty simple.. You can't join a vote already inprogress.... 
I don't see any disparity... If you join the upcoming call late after 
a vote has started, you won't be able to vote on that vote either (though 
you could vote on a later vote in the same call, I presume).

Another thing we could allow is that the member can request that their 
voting status be changed at any time (as in they don't have to attend 
an upcoming meeting, just ask the chair to re-instate their voting 

In any case, I don't have a big issue either way.  I would presume that
if someone really wanted to vote on a particular measure, even one that
was already in progress, all they would have to do is ask for the issue 
to be withdrawn until the right time and I expect we would go along with

This feels like we're starting to get into the nit-picking, pseudo-legal,
super-geeko technical area of finding edge cases so that we make the 
operational procedures so hard for people to understand that nobody 
pays attention to them (well, perhaps I exaggerate a bit, but you get
my point, I hope).


-----Original Message-----
From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Bob Pinheiro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:53 AM
To: LC at kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] Telecon Reminder for October 21 at 15:00 UTC

There still seems to be a disparity between the eligibility rules for 
who is allowed to vote in roll-call votes taken during a meeting, versus 
electronic votes.  Suppose a member in non-voting status due to 
non-attendance receives two emails.  One announces that a roll-call vote 
will be taken on Measure X at the next meeting.  The other announces 
that an electronic voting period has just begun on Measure Y.  The 
proposed rules say that the non-voting member cannot vote in the 
electronic ballot, but can vote in the roll-call ballot merely by 
showing up at the meeting, which automatically restores voting status.  
I see no reason why this non-voting member should be allowed to 
participate in an upcoming roll-call vote merely by showing up, but is 
not allowed to participate in the electronic vote.

If one were to conclude that the very act of announcing an upcoming 
roll-call vote means that the motion has now been placed "on the table", 
then I think the rules would be equivalent.  But that doesn't seem to be 
the case.   Maybe this can be resolved by requiring sufficient 
notification that an electronic ballot is upcoming, thereby allowing a 
non-voting member to regain voting status by attending the next meeting, 
which would have to occur before the electronic vote is initiated. 


J. Trent Adams wrote:
> All -
> Here is your reminder for this week's Leadership Council teleconference:
>     * Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009
>     * Time: 8am PDT | 11am EDT | 15:00 UTC [1]
>     * Teleconference Options:
>           o Skype: +9900827043671716
>           o US Dial-In: +1-201-793-9022 | Room Code: 3671716
> With the full text of a couple proposed motions, you might find the wiki
> version of the agenda more readable:
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/xwJAAg
> If you can't access the wiki for some reason, here's a trimmed down
> version that should be easier to track:
>    1. Roll Call for Quorum Determination
>    2. Approval of prior meeting minutes
>          a. Review: Leadership Council Teleconference - 2009-10-14 [2]
>    3. Assurance Review Board Briefing (David Temoshok, Nathan Faut)
>    4. LC to vote on the OP/Bylaws changes approved by the BoT
>          a. PROPOSED MOTION: Approval of Amendments to Operating
> Procedures for All Member Ballot
>          b. (see wiki for full text)
>          c. Next Step: All member ballot
>    5. InfoSharing WG Charter Change
>          a. Review: InfoSharing WG Charter [3]
>          b. (see wiki for full text)
>    6. Prososed WG: Liberty Specification Maintenance Working Group (LSM WG)
>          a. Review: Liberty Specification Maintenance Working Group
> Charter [4]
>          b. Discussion
>          c. Vote Date: No later than October 29, 2009
>    7. Proposed WG: Identity Services Working Group (IS WG)
>          a. Review: Identity Services Working Group Charter [5]
>          b. NOTE: Initial draft charter was submitted on September 22,
> 2009,
>              but was incomplete.  No further draft was submitted, and
> 30-day
>              window closes October 22, 2009.
>          c. Vote Date: MUST BE HELD ON CALL
>    8. AOB
> Talk to you then.
> - Trent
> [1]
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=21&year=2009&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&sort=2
> [2]
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Leadership+Council+Teleconference+-+2009-10-14
> [3] http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/infosharing/Charter
> [4] http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGLSM/Charter
> [5]
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Proposed+Charter+-+Identity+Services+WG
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