[KI-LC] [BoT] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property Rights Policy

Colin Wallis Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz
Mon Nov 16 16:59:19 EST 2009


I think it's pretty close, but I've wondered if CLA (Contributor License Agreement?) is sufficiently clear to folks (even when it is stated in full) ..

...or if we can find another generic descriptive term like the other two, as a preface...?
 

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From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Brett McDowell
Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:49 a.m.
To: Kantara BoT; Leadership Council
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] [BoT] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property Rights Policy

I'm following-up to see if LC had any more discussion about this or is the proposal below the latest, greatest proposed remedy to the issue?  Note: the Board of Trustees are meeting this week and if we have a solution to the problem we might ask them to ratify it on Thursday.

Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org

On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Eve Maler wrote:

> I like Brett's direction.  We should definitely expect to get more options added as we go, and "classifying" them informally by what they actually cover makes sense.  And now, as the option list grows, I can also foresee a useful "matrix page" that sorts/explains them along these lines...
> 
> 	Eve
> 
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 8:48 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
> 
>> I also think it makes sense to clarify that Apache 2.0 is a CLA, it's
>> really for open source projects and it's probably not going to be the
>> only CLA we have in the long-term.  In fact, given all the discussion
>> I've heard over the summer when WG's were trying to figure out which
>> IPR Policy to use, it might help to categorize them a bit at a
>> high-level to see what sort of animal each is.  So that might lead us
>> to:
>> 
>> 1) CLA: Apache 2.0
>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND
>> 
>> (Opt-Out is more accurate than "fall back to")
>> 
>> Longer titles, but... your thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com | http://kantarainitiative.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Peter Davis <peter.davis at neustar.biz> wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Cahill, Conor P wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think that Apache 2.0 and Creative Commons are well known names within
>>>> legal teams... so you don't need to change those names.
>>> 
>>> Agree wrt Apache 2.
>>> CC, on the other hand constitutes a suite of license options, one of which
>>> is Share Alike with Attribution.  So some clarification would be helpful.
>>> 
>>>> The problem is mostly around the "Liberty" name.   I do suggest we change
>>>> that to something along the lines of "Reciprocal RF with fallback to RAND"
>>>> as that makes it much easier for everyone to understand and they should get
>>>> why it's there as another option compared to the others as opposed to just
>>>> an extension of the Liberty legacy.
>>> 
>>> +1 for Reciprocal RF with fallback to RAND vs. Liberty
>>> 
>>> =peterd
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Conor
>>>> 
>>>> From: trustees-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> [mailto:trustees-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Brett McDowell
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:13 AM
>>>> To: Paul Madsen
>>>> Cc: Leadership Council; Roger.Martin at corp.aol.com; Kantara BoT
>>>> Subject: Re: [BoT] [KI-LC] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property
>>>> Rights Policy
>>>> 
>>>> As a thought exercise, let's explore Paul's suggestion.
>>>> 
>>>> We might call the "Liberty Option" something like "Reciprocal Royalty
>>>> Free"
>>>> 
>>>> We might call "Creative Commons Option" something like... "Share Alike
>>>> w/Attribution" or "Free Derivative Copyright" or ???
>>>> 
>>>> We might call "Apache 2.0 Option" something like... "Software Contributors
>>>> Licensing Agreement" or "Software CLA"
>>>> 
>>>> Is that ultimately more helpful or more confusing?  I see it open the door
>>>> for disputing the title or claiming the title misrepresents the legal
>>>> obligations of the license.  It could muddy the waters.  That said, what do
>>>> you think... ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com |
>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Paul Madsen <paulmadsen at rogers.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Why not use meaningful labels for the policies?
>>>> 
>>>> I forsee lots of 'Option C, now which one is that?'
>>>> 
>>>> paul
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To: BoT and LC
>>>> 
>>>> The Leadership Council has requested (LC Motion 2009-09-14-E, see
>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/DQATAg for further details) to
>>>> change the name of the IPR policy currently named "Option Liberty" to a name
>>>> that is more descriptive of the legal definitions within that policy.  The
>>>> LC has not suggested a new name, but has requested that the BoT make a
>>>> change.
>>>> 
>>>> Revision of the Kantara Initiative Intellectual Property Rights Policies
>>>> requires Supermajority approval of the Board of Trustees.  (see Article
>>>> 7)..."Except where otherwise provided for in individual Articles herein,
>>>> this Intellectual Property Policies and the Options may only be altered,
>>>> amended, or repealed, and new Intellectual Property Policies and Options
>>>> adopted, upon approval by a Supermajority of the Board."
>>>> 
>>>> The Officers have discussed this request and have come to the
>>>> recommendation that a more generic change is in order.  It is proposed that
>>>> each individual IPR policy option in the Intellectual Property Rights
>>>> Policies document be given a generic name (e.g. Option A, Option B, Option
>>>> C, etc).  For each Option, a footnote would be included that explains the
>>>> source of the policy and the recommended uses of that policy.
>>>> 
>>>> Before actually preparing the specific changes, we have decided to open
>>>> this up for discussion among the BoT and LC members.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have an opinion or recommendations regarding this issue?
>>>> 
>>>>  ...rogerM
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