[KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up

Colin Wallis Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz
Sun Nov 15 15:29:58 EST 2009


For the purposes of the Charter, what you have works for me Joni..

From: jonibrennan at gmail.com [mailto:jonibrennan at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joni Brennan
Sent: Saturday, 14 November 2009 8:30 a.m.
To: Jose Luis Mariz
Cc: Robin Wilton; Colin Wallis; joe at switchbook.com; Aude PICHELIN; Kantara LC; Jonas Hogberg K.O
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up

Hi All,

I've added Jose Luis's last suggested sentence to the charter.  The first paragraph in scope now reads:

"The ultimate goal of the Work Group is to help reconciling fragmented efforts in the telco specifications development area and in the telco market place regarding identity management. The identity of humans, legal entities (as they pay network bills) and objects in general is addressed."

Does this addition satisfy the comments or should we include the longer definitions for humans and devices as Jose Luis stated them?

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGTI/Charter
Thanks!

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Jose Luis Mariz <jose.luis.mariz at ericsson.com<mailto:jose.luis.mariz at ericsson.com>> wrote:
Being close to a telco specialist also sometimes, I would say that the key identity issue for a telco is to identify any network "user" item that that will run any sort of transaction through the network and that will need to be identified for some sort of tracking with different purposes.

For humans and machines/objects in general for payment, the human network bill is paid by him or by some associated entity and the machine network bill is paid by some associated entity.

For devices, typically in telco pointing to terminals as objects that humans use for the network interaction, the identification and tracking that is useful could be things like telco enriching services through proper network configuration, through context and personalisation information, could be things like fraud detection.. etc

So, adding a sentence in the charter, perhaps, stating that identity of humans, legal entities (as they pay network bills) and objects in general are adressed should be good enough, I think.

BR./JL.

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Subject: Re: [KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up
I defer to Aude and Jonas as the telco specialists here, but one might want to distinguish between, say, a PC (no dedicated hardware to encapsulate a given user's identity) and a mobile handset - or more specifically the SIM in a handset.

That said, I don't know how useful that distinction might turn out to be in practical terms, and in any case the phrase "machines and devices"
probably doesn't reflect it.

(Just my €0.02 ...)


Robin

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:50 +1300, "Colin Wallis"
<Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz<mailto:Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz>> wrote:
> :-)
>
> Probably none.
>
> A better phrase might be 'humans and objects'.
>
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