[KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up

Colin Wallis Colin.Wallis at dia.govt.nz
Thu Nov 12 21:50:10 EST 2009


:-) 

Probably none. 

A better phrase might be 'humans and objects'.

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From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Joe Andrieu
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 3:47 p.m.
To: Colin Wallis
Cc: Aude PICHELIN; Kantara LC
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up

This may sound simple, but it seems important if we are going to make 
the distinction:

What's the difference between machines and devices?

-j

On 11/12/2009 6:39 PM, Colin Wallis wrote:
> Thanks Jonas
>
> Much appreciated. And I certainly was not aware that ITU-T did not
> produce specifications..maybe it's recommendations that they do..
>
> Your comments clarify a lot for me, and while I wonder if other people
> looking at the scope would pick up that 'identity' in the context of
> Telco covers humans, devices and machines, I'll leave that to you guys
> to determine.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin
>
> *From:* lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonas Hogberg K.O
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 November 2009 12:31 a.m.
> *To:* Colin Wallis; Kantara LC
> *Cc:* Aude PICHELIN; Jose Luis Mariz
> *Subject:* Re: [KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up
>
> Hi Colin,
>
> Thanks for your comments on the TIWG charter. Please find my answers here:
>
> 1) Yes, we're talking about humans, devices and machines.
>
> 2) We took a pragmatic approach to our liaisons efforts trying to be
> practical. Firstly, we wanted to limit the no. of organisations that we
> approach. Secondly, our target is organisations that produce
> specifications, which ITU-T doesn't do.
>
> 3) True, however based on members' interests.
>
> 4) Fair comment. FYI, we are on a continuous global recruitment campaign
> and our desire is definitely to widen the geographical distribution of
> the group. So far, US operators have shown limited interest in the DigId
> and Telco space.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonas H.
>
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> *From:* lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Colin Wallis
> *Sent:* jueves, 12 de noviembre de 2009 0:17
> *To:* Kantara LC
> *Subject:* [KI-LC] LC call 11/11: TI WG wash up
>
> Greetings all
>
> Sorry to have not prepared as fully as I should have for this call, and
> this was one item I had 'skimmed'.
>
> But a couple of comments from folks on the call motivated me to take
> another look at it.
>
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGTI/Charter
>
> Here are some thoughts from me.
>
> 1) I'm not sure which 'identity' is the actual scope here - are we
> talking about humans, devices or both?
>
> 2) I was intrigued that the ITU-T was not on the liaison list. And yet
> they have done significant work on human IdM as some of us can attest
> to!:-). And the history of the ITU and certain Kantara members 'playing
> together' goes back along way...
>
> 3) I was intrigued that the liaisons seemed 'mobile' focussed. Nothing
> wrong in that but it might have implications on the scope.
>
> 4) The leadership appears heavily balanced in favour of Europe. Nothing
> wrong in that but it might have implications on the scope. (That said
> the proposers show a more geographically balanced group).
>
> Comments?
>
> Am I seeing something that isn't there? (We have plenty of practice in
> that in government..:-))
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin
>
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