[KI-LC] Proposed Topics for Meeting at DIDW

Gardiner, Matthew Matthew.Gardiner at ca.com
Fri Jul 31 13:29:29 PDT 2009

Bob et al


Given I was part of the 3rd paragraph, I thought I would respond to at
least that part....I wouldn't characterize the flow of $ as from the
"funders" to the "doers"......but that Kantara as an organization has
funds/budget some of which is dedicated to the main work product of the
organization which is significantly represented by the work of the
WG/DGs....While 2010 will be the first full budget cycle of Kantara the
intent is that the LC is a key requester of funds to the board of
trustees which is responsible for the entire budget....and as the
governing body of the WG/DGs the LC will be the key body that sorts out
priorities for $ in the budget request.  I personally believe that the
balanced use of volunteers and consultants has proven and will continue
to prove to be the most effective way to move work product forward.
Because as volunteers our priority is always to the organization whose
name in on our cheques.


We are just about to start the 2010 budget cycle for Kantara so how the
LC & BoTs works out working through this still needs to be sorted.





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From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
[mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Bob Pinheiro
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:33 AM
To: J. Trent Adams
Cc: LC at kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [KI-LC] Proposed Topics for Meeting at DIDW


I'd like to see some discussion on what kinds of resources the
individual WGs/DGs believe may be necessary to actually perform their
work and produce any deliverables.  For instance, do the Chairs believe
they have sufficient commitment from WG participants to contribute to
the work effort and produce deliverables?  Do the Chairs believe they
will probably do the bulk of the work themselves, using the WG
participants mainly as reviewers and "sounding boards"?  Do the Chairs
believe they may need to obtain additional resources, such as
consultants to help with the work or to perform specialized  functions
such as market research, surveys, coding, etc?

I ask this with the full realization that Kantara, like most industry
consortia, will primarily rely on volunteer participants to get the work
done.   However, although anyone can participate in a Kantara WG/DG,
participants have their day jobs to do, and it's not clear how much
effort they will be able to devote to WG activities, or whether
participation in a WG necessarily translates to a commitment to help
produce deliverables.  WG/DG chairs have been asked to consider their
budget requests for 2010, so presumably these budget requests will
reflect the kinds of additional resources the WGs/DGs believe may be

For an interesting commentary on why Kantara may be different than other
consortia with regard to how projects are supported, see Mathew
Gardner's blog posting on Why CA Supports the Kantara Initiative
e-kantara-initiative.aspx> .  Mathew points out that Kantara is not only
open to participants who are not members and are paying nothing to
participate, but that Kantara is also a well-funded organization that
has a unique bicameral governance structure.    I interpret this to
suggest that there will exist some mechanism to enable funds to flow
from the funders (the Board of Trustees) to the doers (the Leadership
Council) to support those WGs/DGs where volunteer labor alone may be


J. Trent Adams wrote: 

All -
In an effort to put together something reasonable with enough time to
promote the topics, here is my first take on an agenda for our upcoming
meeting in September at DIDW:
 1. Operating Procedures Review
    a. Quorum Interpretation
    b. Charter Template Review
    c. ... others?
 2. IPR Review
    a. Generic Version of "Liberty Option"
    b. Additional IPR Options
    c. Removing IPR Requirement for DGs
    d. Creating an IPR FAQ
 3. Review and Augment Standards Body List
 4. Determine Process for All-Member Ballots
 5. WG/DG Budget Discussions
 6. KI Communications Staff Update
    a. Report by Staff on Work
    b. How to Leverage KI Comms
Please suggest any other items you feel we should place on the agenda so
we can get it to Dervla by July 31st.


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