[KI-LC] Draft minutes for 29 Jul 2009 LC call are up

Roger Martin roger.martin at corp.aol.com
Wed Jul 29 15:30:57 PDT 2009

I considered that, but I'm not sure that I agree.  Yes, the WGs that 
successfully submit their charter by Aug 15th should continue to have a 
vote on the LC after Aug 15th.  The LC is under an Operating Procedures 
mandate to vote on it within 30 days (which conveniently works out to 
Sept 14th).  If the Charter is approved then there is no issue.

I apparently forgot to include the last sentence of the Motion: /
A "Founding" WG whose Charter is successfully submitted by Aug 15, 2009 
will remain an LC voting member until the LC votes to approve or reject 
the Charter.

/If the Charter is approved, the WG is know longer a grandfathered 
"Founding" WG, but a regular WG just like every other  LC approved WG.  
If the Charter is rejected it loses its seat and vote on the LC the 
moment the Charter is rejected.  It then must submit a new charter for 
LC consideration just like any other new Group. 

(I should have said "acquire a new seat on the LC" in my original comments.)


Eve Maler wrote:
> I don't think this is quite correct.  Successful submission 
> ("acceptance") is one condition, but successful approval by Sep 14 is 
> another.  If the LC approval vote fails during our mandated 30-day 
> window, the founding group still loses its special seat.  (It's not 
> clear whether it would be the "same" or a different group that later 
> submits a charter (using the same or different text!) that wins 
> approval, so I don't think "regaining" a seat should be an issue -- a 
> founding seat would simply be lost if the vote fails. Hopefully this 
> situation will remain theoretical, though. :-)
> By the way, I really appreciate the efforts you've been putting (as a 
> lurker, no less!) into careful reading of the minutes and careful 
> observation of our practices, and I'll endeavor to capture motions 
> more formally in future.
> Eve
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 12:01 PM, Roger Martin wrote:
>> Eve,
>> With respect to the first motion (Aug 15th deadline for Founding WG 
>> Charters)..... 
>> The minutes do not make clear when the WG becomes a non-voting member 
>> of the LC if it fails to successfully submit its Charter by Aug 
>> 15th.  I think the minutes should clarify that the WG becomes 
>> non-voting effective 8/15/09 if it has not successfully submitted its 
>> charter.  If that happens, then it must then go through the normal 
>> process of creating a new WG (with Charter) in order to re-acquire a 
>> seat on the LC.
>> I think that the motion that was approved was the following (and 
>> since I am not a member of the LC, this is just a friendly suggestion 
>> :-) ).
>> ***********************************************************
>> _Deadline for Submission of Founding Work Group Charters and 
>> Maintaining LC Voting Status_*_
>> _The LC establishes August 15, 2009 as the deadline for successful 
>> submission of “Founding”
>> WG Charters”.  A “Founding” WG whose Charter has not been 
>> successfully submitted by that
>> date will lose LC voting status until a new Charter has been 
>> submitted and approved. 
>> **********************************************************
>>    ....roger (aka lurker)
>> /******************************************
>> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
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>> Eve Maler wrote:
>>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Leadership+Council+Teleconference+-+2009-07-29 
>>> Please take a look and let me know if I missed anything.
>>>     Eve
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