[KI-LC] Naming of groups in Confluence and mail aliases
joni at ieee-isto.org
Fri Jul 17 11:36:26 PDT 2009
Thanks for the follow on Eve. comments inline
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Eve Maler <Eve.Maler at sun.com> wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that:
> 1. We use lowercase in Confluence short names for URLs (to me this is a
> 2. We drop the "wg" or "dg" portion of the short name in future group
> provisioning exercises (including my own two groups!)
> My reasoning for #2 is that unless there are two groups named *exactly* the
> same except for discussion or work group status (and I would argue they
> should be better distinguished than that), the "wg" or "dg" doesn't add
> anything and just makes things look complicated and hard to understand for
> people who are new to Kantara. If you look at OASIS group URLs, there's a
> short form (that redirects to a query parameter version) like this:
> Nice and clean, and browser address bars let you start typing what's most
> relevant to you and get to it quickly. Ours would have to be like this:
> ...but it's still an improvement over CONCORD, WGUMA, etc.
I agree. When we do have two that are the same (Japan WG and DG are already
examples) do we then add the title identifier at the end? .../japanwg/...
> Joni has convinced me that existing mail alias names should stay as they
> are, but I urge folks to think about this stuff as part of Kantara's public
> face going forward. Names that are pleasant or unpleasant to use in daily
> life do have an effect on how we perceive the success and health of the
> related group effort.
That's not to say that I'm against this change. For email naming convention
would we use the same rule as url convention where - no dg/wg identifiers
unless we had 2 groups with the same name. In those cases the title is
appended to the end of the acronym.
Do others have thoughts?
> On 15 Jul 2009, at 2:36 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:
> Thanks very much for sending this around Eve!
> There were some methods to my madness when initially setting the site(s)
> up, however, I am very excited to work with the groups to make the site
> offerings and structure truly best of breed examples. We (staff) had
> envisioned a 'phase 2' plan of action for the site(s) and I believe we are
> stable enough to approach that process now.
> Your feedback as users and participants is not only highly valuable but
> necessary to help us tweak the site(s) in to near perfection ;-). So please
> do send your thoughts regarding Eve's comments so that I can work up a plan
> to incorporate your feedback appropriately!
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Eve Maler <Eve.Maler at sun.com> wrote:
>> I asked Joni today about the chances of using more "friendly" names in the
>> wiki workspace URLs and mail aliases. I firmly believe that such things are
>> part of presenting a friendly and open face to any potential stakeholders to
>> help them decide to get engaged...
>> It turns out we have some control over these key phrases, but it's not
>> total. E.g., Confluence's "short name" for each group has to be in
>> uppercase in the URL, though the mail alias shows as lowercase.
>> Joni suggested that all these short names be uniform if we can manage it;
>> she's been using "WGxxxx" and "DGxxxx" for most of the new groups (though I
>> notice Concordia's short name is "CONCORD" like the grape :-). A consistent
>> pattern seems okay to me, though I'd prefer "xxxx-WG" and "xxxx-DG" since it
>> puts the unique information first and is just easier to read and
>> "pronounce". And I have no problem with slightly longer names, so
>> "CONCORDIA-DG" and "UMA-WG" would be better in my mind.
>> Am I being pedantic/crazy? Overly concerned with "messaging"? Are there
>> other sorts of optimizations we could do around naming, if I'm not entirely
>> And do we need perfect uniformity? If Joni does change any of these at
>> this point, it breaks old URLs and such. I'm actually willing to do this
>> for Concordia since we haven't gotten going yet. (And unfortunately I can't
>> think of any brilliantly friendly acronym besides UMA for my other group).
>> But other groups may not want the pain of changing now, even if they would
>> have liked a different naming option in the beginning.
>> Eve Maler eve.maler @ sun.com
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