[KI-LC] Revised DRAFT: Policy for Joining Groups and Group Discussion Lists

Cahill, Conor P conor.p.cahill at intel.com
Tue Jul 14 04:52:41 PDT 2009


+1...

Conor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-
> bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Drummond Reed
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:46 PM
> To: 'Eve Maler'; 'J. Trent Adams'
> Cc: 'Leadership Council'; Roger.Martin at corp.aol.com
> Subject: Re: [KI-LC] Revised DRAFT: Policy for Joining Groups and Group
> Discussion Lists
> 
> +1. Many folks will see the word "moderator" and wonder why we have
> moderated lists, which is not what these are at all.
> 
> =Drummond
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-
> > bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler
> > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:22 AM
> > To: J. Trent Adams
> > Cc: Leadership Council; Roger.Martin at corp.aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [KI-LC] Revised DRAFT: Policy for Joining Groups and
> Group
> > Discussion Lists
> >
> > I was one of those who spoke up with a concern (and I'm sorry for not
> > having done so in email before the last call).  It's definitely just
> > about perceptions, but I would hate for Kantara to be perceived as
> the
> > kind of org that judges whose messages get through based on what they
> > say (vs. whether they've agreed to the IPR rules -- an objective vs.
> > subjective criterion).
> >
> > Since there's no strong reason for our policy to adhere to the
> > language imposed by a particular software package for particular
> > mailing list management, I'm hoping it's possible to substitute some
> > other word.  And if I'm reading Trent's suggestion correctly below,
> > he's saying we could just be less specific about the distinctions
> > among the mailing list administration jobs -- which is fine with me
> > (what if we switched from mailman to monarch or something? we don't
> > want to have to revise the policy).
> >
> > 	Eve
> >
> > On Jul 10, 2009, at 2:07 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >
> > > Roger M. -
> > >
> > > On this week's LC call there was some push-back relating to the use
> of
> > > the term "moderate" in the email policy we're drafting.
> > >
> > > In short, there is concern that the term may imply a connotation we
> > > don't intend.  While the definition we'd proposed is technically
> > > accurate according to the mailing list software we use, the broader
> > > community has a slightly different interpretation of the term which
> > > might pose problems in our effort to communicate our intent.
> > >
> > > Basically, we want to make it clear in the policy that there are
> > > essentially two sets of people who can "manage" the list (i.e. have
> > > access to a set of management tools controlling the software).  One
> > > set
> > > is the KI Staff who are tasked with ensuring two things:
> > >
> > > 1. The software is correctly configured and running.
> > > 2. Checking to ensure Subscribers have signed the
> > >     appropriate IPR policy for the associated Group
> > >     and setting their posting permissions accordingly.
> > >
> > > The other set is comprised of those who (through delegation of the
> > > Group
> > > Leader) can perform only task 2 above.
> > >
> > > As I understand it, the problem is that the term "moderator" in
> common
> > > use also includes the notion of "reading queued messages and
> approving
> > > or denying the posting of the message based on the content."  Even
> > > if we
> > > define the term differently in our policy, it is highly likely that
> > > the
> > > common usage will cause confusion.
> > >
> > > What if we changed the first bullet in Section 5 to read:
> > >
> > > # All Lists are administered by Staff and by the Chair of the Group
> > > (or
> > > his/her delegate) to which the List is associated.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure this solves the conundrum, but it might help clarify
> that
> > > the tasks are clerical in nature, and in no way indicate a
> "censuring"
> > > of messages.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > - Trent
> >
> >
> > Eve Maler                                          eve.maler @
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