[KI-LC] [BoT] [SPAM] Re: Group "Join" Form

Cahill, Conor P conor.p.cahill at intel.com
Wed Jul 1 06:55:11 PDT 2009


"Lurker" seems reasonable to me :-)..

Conor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: trustees-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:trustees-
> bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of J. Trent Adams
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:51 AM
> To: Brett McDowell
> Cc: Leadership Council; Roger.Martin at corp.aol.com; Kantara BoT
> Subject: Re: [BoT] [SPAM] Re: [KI-LC] Group "Join" Form
> 
> Brett -
> 
> I'm comfortable with "follower", but am open to other terms that convey
> the same sense of someone "passively keeping up with the work, but not
> interested in contributing."
> 
> I'd considered "voyeur", but didn't think that was the best idea.
> 
> - Trent
> 
> 
> Brett McDowell wrote:
> > Is everyone happy with the word "Follower"?
> >
> > Brett McDowell  |  +1.413.652.1248  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
> >
> > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:07 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >
> >> Roger -
> >>
> >> Your edits make sense to me.
> >>
> >> Do you want to take a whack at a clean version and recirculate?
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >> Trent
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger Martin wrote:
> >>> Trent,
> >>>
> >>> I've been at an off-site all day and am just now getting to my
> email.
> >>> See my responses embedded below.
> >>>
> >>>   rogerM
> >>>
> >>> /******************************************
> >>> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
> >>>     AOL
> >>>     22260 Pacific Blvd    41A:A03
> >>>     Dulles, VA 20166
> >>> email: roger.martin at corp.aol.com
> >>>         AIM:       rjmartin99
> >>>         phone:  703-265-6203
> >>>         mobile: 703-389-1547
> >>> *******************************************/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> J. Trent Adams wrote:
> >>>> Roger M. -
> >>>>
> >>>> This appears to be a great clarification and streamlining of the
> >>>> process
> >>>> we were trying to define.  I definitely appreciate the time and
> effort
> >>>> you put into carefully preserving the spirit of the prior work,
> while
> >>>> also improving it.
> >>>>
> >>>> My nits are so minor I feel embarrassed even bringing them up:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. The term "Intellectual Property Rights" is
> >>>>     introduced earlier than the acronym was
> >>>>     parenthetically defined.  Perhaps moving up the
> >>>>     acronym to the first instance?
> >>>>
> >>> [RM]  oops!! yes, it should be moved up to the first usage
> >>>> 2. The term "Follower" is now only referenced in
> >>>>     the second bullet of Section (6).  Perhaps it makes
> >>>>     sense to eliminate the term from the Definitions
> >>>>     Section (2) and insert the meaning in (6)?
> >>>>
> >>> [RM]  Good point.  I considered this, but decided it was useful to
> >>> have the definition.  In addition, we should change the fourth
> bullet
> >>> in (5) to read:
> >>>
> >>>    * A non-Participant in a Group may subscribe to a Group List as
> a
> >>>      Follower. A non-Participant Subscriber has read-only
> permission
> >>>      and may not post to the List.
> >>>
> >>>> 3. If we're leveraging defined terms (e.g. Member,
> >>>>     Participant, etc.) from other Controlling
> >>>>     Documents, do we need to formally reference
> >>>>     them in some way? Perhaps by including them
> >>>>     in the Definitions Section (2), linking a reference
> >>>>     to the Bylaws and/or Operating Procedures as
> >>>>     appropriate?
> >>>>
> >>> [RM]  In the Operating Procedures we defined only those needed
> terms
> >>> that had not been defined in the Bylaws.  So, I think we should
> >>> continue that practice.  The reason for doing it that way is to
> >>> prevent future conflicts should we change a definition in one
> document
> >>> and forget to change it in another.  In the Bylaws we included the
> >>> following as the introduction to the Definitions in Section 1:
> >>>
> >>>    /Whenever a term defined below is capitalized, it is used as
> >>>    defined.  If the word or /
> >>>    /phrase does not have leading capital letters, then it is to be
> >>>    interpreted within the /
> >>>    /context of the specific text.  /
> >>>
> >>>    /A capitalized term not defined below is used as defined in the
> >>>    Organization Bylaws./
> >>>
> >>> [RM] For clarity, we should add the above text to each Policy that
> we
> >>> create that includes definitions.
> >>>> 4. In the same vein, if we're referencing externally-
> >>>>     defined terms, do we need to include the term
> >>>>     "Participant of a Group" in this document?  This
> >>>>     seems close enough to "Participant" as defined
> >>>>     in 1.13 of the Bylaws that perhaps we can remove
> >>>>     the qualifying "of a Group" so they're equivalent?
> >>>>     Or is there a subtle difference I'm missing?
> >>>>
> >>> [RM]  Good point.  Let's delete the definition for "Participant of
> a
> >>> Group".
> >>>
> >>> [RM]  However, I think we should leave the usage in the rest of the
> >>> document because the policy with respect to a Group list pertains
> to a
> >>> Participant of that specific Group.  Otherwise, if we just say
> >>> "Participant", then an entity that is a Participant of Group A
> might
> >>> think it has the right to have posting permission for the Group B
> List
> >>> without having signed the Participation Agreement for Group B.
> >>>
> >>>> Let me know what you suggest.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks again,
> >>>> Trent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Martin wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have spent some time reviewing the "Groups Email Discussion
> List
> >>>>> Policy" draft and have rewritten it in what I believe to be an
> easier
> >>>>> to understand and more comprehensive format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have attached my draft which is based on the following comments
> and
> >>>>> rationale:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   1. The Policy needs to address both (1) Joining a Group as a
> >>>>>      Participant and (2) Subscribing to a List as a Follower.  In
> the
> >>>>>      current draft these two concepts were intertwined and seemed
> to
> >>>>>      be fairly confusing.  I have attempted to split these two
> >>>>>      concepts out into separate sections to the extent possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   2. The introduction of the term "Contributor" is not needed
> since
> >>>>>      "Participant", which is already defined in the Bylaws, is
> >>>>>      sufficient.  I have deleted usage of "Contributor".  If we
> wish
> >>>>>      to differentiate between Participants who do and do not
> actually
> >>>>>      contribute postings to the Group List, then the term may be
> >>>>>      useful, but personally I do not believe we should be
> encouraging
> >>>>>      the concept of being a "passive" participant in a Group by
> not
> >>>>>      contributing anything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   3. I propose that all Participants in a Group be automatically
> >>>>>      Subscribed to the Group List.  If a Member has additional
> >>>>>      representatives who join a Group then they may need to
> >>>>>      Subscribe, but in my opinion the roster of Participants in a
> >>>>>      Group should automatically be included on the Group List.
> >>>>>      Likewise for the BoT and LC lists, those holding a seat on
> >>>>>      either body should be automatically subscribed to both Lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have made other changes to the text as I rearranged it, but I
> did
> >>>>> not intentionally change the meaning of the existing text except
> as
> >>>>> outlined above.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I apologize that I do not have the document properly formatted,
> but I
> >>>>> have run out of time and will be in an offsite meeting all day
> >>>>> tomorrow.  As noted in an earlier email, I do not have edit
> >>>>> permission
> >>>>> on the online version of the document.  I am including it as a
> PDF
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> MSWORD file.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sending it in its current state for consideration and
> discussion
> >>>>> as appropriate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    ...rogerM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Since I do not have "edit" privileges to the "Groups Email
> >>>>>> Discussion
> >>>>>> List Policy" and because I feel that these issues should be
> >>>>>> discussed
> >>>>>> by the entire list, I was going to posting my recommended
> changes
> >>>>>> (and rationale) to the LC and BoT lists in an email.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, after spending some time on rewriting the policy, I
> have
> >>>>>> decided to draft a new version.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of the primary difficulties is that while the title of this
> >>>>>> draft
> >>>>>> policy is "Groups Email Discussion List Policy", it actually
> also
> >>>>>> includes, and to some degree confuses, the policy about joining
> a WG
> >>>>>> or DG.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As a result, I am going to propose restructuring it and renaming
> it
> >>>>>> to be "Policy for Joining Groups and Group Mailing Lists".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will post it for consideration as soon as I have completed the
> >>>>>> redrafting of the document.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    ....rogerM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /--
> >>>>>> ******************************************
> >>>>>> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
> >>>>>>     AOL
> >>>>>>     22260 Pacific Blvd    41A:A03
> >>>>>>     Dulles, VA 20166
> >>>>>> email: roger.martin at corp.aol.com
> >>>>>>         AIM:       rjmartin99
> >>>>>>         phone:  703-265-6203
> >>>>>>         mobile: 703-389-1547
> >>>>>> *******************************************/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> J. Trent Adams
> >> =jtrentadams
> >>
> >> Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
> >> Internet Society
> >> http://www.isoc.org
> >>
> >> e) adams at isoc.org
> >> o) 703-439-2149
> >>
> >>
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> J. Trent Adams
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> 
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