[KI-LC] [BoT] Group "Join" Form

J. Trent Adams adams at isoc.org
Wed Jul 1 06:55:07 PDT 2009


Brett -

Good idea.  "Observer" works for me.

- Trent


Brett McDowell wrote:
> How about "Observer"?  It has the added benefit of being used in that
> same context in other standards bodies (not all, but some).
>
> Brett McDowell  |  +1.413.652.1248  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:50 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>> Brett -
>>
>> I'm comfortable with "follower", but am open to other terms that convey
>> the same sense of someone "passively keeping up with the work, but not
>> interested in contributing."
>>
>> I'd considered "voyeur", but didn't think that was the best idea.
>>
>> - Trent
>>
>>
>> Brett McDowell wrote:
>>> Is everyone happy with the word "Follower"?
>>>
>>> Brett McDowell  |  +1.413.652.1248  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:07 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roger -
>>>>
>>>> Your edits make sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Do you want to take a whack at a clean version and recirculate?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>>>> Trent,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been at an off-site all day and am just now getting to my email.
>>>>> See my responses embedded below.
>>>>>
>>>>>  rogerM
>>>>>
>>>>> /******************************************
>>>>> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
>>>>>    AOL
>>>>>    22260 Pacific Blvd    41A:A03
>>>>>    Dulles, VA 20166
>>>>> email: roger.martin at corp.aol.com
>>>>>        AIM:       rjmartin99
>>>>>        phone:  703-265-6203
>>>>>        mobile: 703-389-1547
>>>>> *******************************************/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>> Roger M. -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This appears to be a great clarification and streamlining of the
>>>>>> process
>>>>>> we were trying to define.  I definitely appreciate the time and
>>>>>> effort
>>>>>> you put into carefully preserving the spirit of the prior work,
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> also improving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My nits are so minor I feel embarrassed even bringing them up:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The term "Intellectual Property Rights" is
>>>>>>    introduced earlier than the acronym was
>>>>>>    parenthetically defined.  Perhaps moving up the
>>>>>>    acronym to the first instance?
>>>>>>
>>>>> [RM]  oops!! yes, it should be moved up to the first usage
>>>>>> 2. The term "Follower" is now only referenced in
>>>>>>    the second bullet of Section (6).  Perhaps it makes
>>>>>>    sense to eliminate the term from the Definitions
>>>>>>    Section (2) and insert the meaning in (6)?
>>>>>>
>>>>> [RM]  Good point.  I considered this, but decided it was useful to
>>>>> have the definition.  In addition, we should change the fourth bullet
>>>>> in (5) to read:
>>>>>
>>>>>   * A non-Participant in a Group may subscribe to a Group List as a
>>>>>     Follower. A non-Participant Subscriber has read-only permission
>>>>>     and may not post to the List.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. If we're leveraging defined terms (e.g. Member,
>>>>>>    Participant, etc.) from other Controlling
>>>>>>    Documents, do we need to formally reference
>>>>>>    them in some way? Perhaps by including them
>>>>>>    in the Definitions Section (2), linking a reference
>>>>>>    to the Bylaws and/or Operating Procedures as
>>>>>>    appropriate?
>>>>>>
>>>>> [RM]  In the Operating Procedures we defined only those needed terms
>>>>> that had not been defined in the Bylaws.  So, I think we should
>>>>> continue that practice.  The reason for doing it that way is to
>>>>> prevent future conflicts should we change a definition in one
>>>>> document
>>>>> and forget to change it in another.  In the Bylaws we included the
>>>>> following as the introduction to the Definitions in Section 1:
>>>>>
>>>>>   /Whenever a term defined below is capitalized, it is used as
>>>>>   defined.  If the word or /
>>>>>   /phrase does not have leading capital letters, then it is to be
>>>>>   interpreted within the /
>>>>>   /context of the specific text.  /
>>>>>
>>>>>   /A capitalized term not defined below is used as defined in the
>>>>>   Organization Bylaws./
>>>>>
>>>>> [RM] For clarity, we should add the above text to each Policy that we
>>>>> create that includes definitions.
>>>>>> 4. In the same vein, if we're referencing externally-
>>>>>>    defined terms, do we need to include the term
>>>>>>    "Participant of a Group" in this document?  This
>>>>>>    seems close enough to "Participant" as defined
>>>>>>    in 1.13 of the Bylaws that perhaps we can remove
>>>>>>    the qualifying "of a Group" so they're equivalent?
>>>>>>    Or is there a subtle difference I'm missing?
>>>>>>
>>>>> [RM]  Good point.  Let's delete the definition for "Participant of a
>>>>> Group".
>>>>>
>>>>> [RM]  However, I think we should leave the usage in the rest of the
>>>>> document because the policy with respect to a Group list pertains
>>>>> to a
>>>>> Participant of that specific Group.  Otherwise, if we just say
>>>>> "Participant", then an entity that is a Participant of Group A might
>>>>> think it has the right to have posting permission for the Group B
>>>>> List
>>>>> without having signed the Participation Agreement for Group B.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you suggest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>> Trent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have spent some time reviewing the "Groups Email Discussion List
>>>>>>> Policy" draft and have rewritten it in what I believe to be an
>>>>>>> easier
>>>>>>> to understand and more comprehensive format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have attached my draft which is based on the following
>>>>>>> comments and
>>>>>>> rationale:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  1. The Policy needs to address both (1) Joining a Group as a
>>>>>>>     Participant and (2) Subscribing to a List as a Follower.  In
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>     current draft these two concepts were intertwined and seemed to
>>>>>>>     be fairly confusing.  I have attempted to split these two
>>>>>>>     concepts out into separate sections to the extent possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2. The introduction of the term "Contributor" is not needed since
>>>>>>>     "Participant", which is already defined in the Bylaws, is
>>>>>>>     sufficient.  I have deleted usage of "Contributor".  If we wish
>>>>>>>     to differentiate between Participants who do and do not
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>     contribute postings to the Group List, then the term may be
>>>>>>>     useful, but personally I do not believe we should be
>>>>>>> encouraging
>>>>>>>     the concept of being a "passive" participant in a Group by not
>>>>>>>     contributing anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  3. I propose that all Participants in a Group be automatically
>>>>>>>     Subscribed to the Group List.  If a Member has additional
>>>>>>>     representatives who join a Group then they may need to
>>>>>>>     Subscribe, but in my opinion the roster of Participants in a
>>>>>>>     Group should automatically be included on the Group List.
>>>>>>>     Likewise for the BoT and LC lists, those holding a seat on
>>>>>>>     either body should be automatically subscribed to both Lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have made other changes to the text as I rearranged it, but I did
>>>>>>> not intentionally change the meaning of the existing text except as
>>>>>>> outlined above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize that I do not have the document properly formatted,
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> have run out of time and will be in an offsite meeting all day
>>>>>>> tomorrow.  As noted in an earlier email, I do not have edit
>>>>>>> permission
>>>>>>> on the online version of the document.  I am including it as a PDF
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> MSWORD file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sending it in its current state for consideration and
>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>> as appropriate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ...rogerM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I do not have "edit" privileges to the "Groups Email
>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>> List Policy" and because I feel that these issues should be
>>>>>>>> discussed
>>>>>>>> by the entire list, I was going to posting my recommended changes
>>>>>>>> (and rationale) to the LC and BoT lists in an email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, after spending some time on rewriting the policy, I have
>>>>>>>> decided to draft a new version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the primary difficulties is that while the title of this
>>>>>>>> draft
>>>>>>>> policy is "Groups Email Discussion List Policy", it actually also
>>>>>>>> includes, and to some degree confuses, the policy about joining
>>>>>>>> a WG
>>>>>>>> or DG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a result, I am going to propose restructuring it and
>>>>>>>> renaming it
>>>>>>>> to be "Policy for Joining Groups and Group Mailing Lists".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will post it for consideration as soon as I have completed the
>>>>>>>> redrafting of the document.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   ....rogerM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /--
>>>>>>>> ******************************************
>>>>>>>> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
>>>>>>>>    AOL
>>>>>>>>    22260 Pacific Blvd    41A:A03
>>>>>>>>    Dulles, VA 20166
>>>>>>>> email: roger.martin at corp.aol.com
>>>>>>>>        AIM:       rjmartin99
>>>>>>>>        phone:  703-265-6203
>>>>>>>>        mobile: 703-389-1547
>>>>>>>> *******************************************/
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> J. Trent Adams
>>>> =jtrentadams
>>>>
>>>> Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
>>>> Internet Society
>>>> http://www.isoc.org
>>>>
>>>> e) adams at isoc.org
>>>> o) 703-439-2149
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>>
>> -- 
>> J. Trent Adams
>> =jtrentadams
>>
>> Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
>> Internet Society
>> http://www.isoc.org
>>
>> e) adams at isoc.org
>> o) 703-439-2149
>>
>>
>

-- 
J. Trent Adams
=jtrentadams

Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
Internet Society
http://www.isoc.org

e) adams at isoc.org
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