[KI-LC] [BoT] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property Rights Policy

Salzberg, Kenneth M ken.salzberg at intel.com
Thu Dec 3 11:17:05 EST 2009


I would strongly suggest that whatever we use for the names of the IPR policies, that we do NOT use acronyms.
Please spell it out.

Ken Salzberg,  Technology Manager
Integrated Platforms Research, Intel Labs
ken.salzberg at intel.com   503.264.8276   JF2-58

-----Original Message-----
From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Brett McDowell
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [KI-LC] [BoT] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property Rights Policy

Here's the last message I think was specific to the naming conversation.  The three names are pasted at the top for easy review:

>>>> 1) Source Code CLA: Apache 2.0
>>>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>>>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND


Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org

On Nov 17, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Eve Maler wrote:

> Personally, I think we should go ahead on #1.  And we should see if we can convince Bill Smith to round up some (joint BoT/LC?) committee activity on #2. :-)
>
>       Eve
>
> On 17 Nov 2009, at 10:21 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>> Brett -
>>
>> Brett McDowell wrote:
>>> +1 to forming a committee to work on #2, but that doesn't need to hold-up the IPR Policy revision does it?
>>>
>>
>> The risk in moving forward with (1) before the work of (2) is complete
>> would be if the output of (2) suggest another naming change.  The
>> benefit is more clarity sooner than we have today.
>>
>> The risk in waiting on (1) for (2) to complete is if the current names
>> alienate (for whatever reason) potential participants while we work on
>> the "perfect" solution.  The benefit is fewer changes with potentially
>> less confusion.
>>
>> IMO, if there is consensus that (1) is the right solution for now (and
>> we're OK with a chance that (2) might suggest a later name change), I
>> suggest we move forward with (1) now and separately pursue (2).
>>
>> - Trent
>>
>>
>>> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brett -
>>>>
>>>> There are two questions we need to answer:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is this list, as presented, ready for the BoT?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is there something additional along the lines
>>>>   of what Bob and others mentioned that we
>>>>   should nail down (e.g. an IPR guide)?
>>>>
>>>> Even if we have consensus on (1), we may still want to form a committee
>>>> to work on (2)... unless no one's interested enough to take on the work.
>>>>
>>>> - Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe our emails passed each other in the ether.  I think we might be done.  Does anyone on LC object to the following re-naming that seems to have a consensus?  If not, I'm happy to put it before the Board this Thursday or adoption:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Source Code CLA: Apache 2.0
>>>>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>>>>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like we're not ready for the BoT to approve an approach, but
>>>>>> that there's a lot of interest in following this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose forming a special committee of the LC to bring this idea home.
>>>>>> Otherwise, I fear we'll talk about this some more but it'll never come
>>>>>> to fruition as everyone expects someone else to be doing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone willing to volunteer to lead the effort (Bob)? Assuming someone
>>>>>> can herd the troops, I'm guessing you'd receive willing participation
>>>>>> from Iain, Robin, and Eve to help flesh out an action plan. I assume
>>>>>> that Brett and his merry band of staffers would also be interested in
>>>>>> spending some time to help bring it home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone willing volunteers to sit on the committee?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Trent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iain Henderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> agreed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 Nov 2009, at 08:40, Robin Wilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Bob has a point. If the list of options is to double in
>>>>>>>> size, it becomes all the more important to give some indication of
>>>>>>>> what the implications are of choosing a given alternative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should bear in mind that people setting up a WG/DG are doing so
>>>>>>>> for some purpose other than to spend time reading up on copyright
>>>>>>>> law... and (with all respect to Conor) we explicitly expect some
>>>>>>>> groups to be set up by people who don't have a legal team to refer
>>>>>>>> to when making their choice. I note the comment that 'adding a brief
>>>>>>>> description may put Kantara at risk of being accused of describing a
>>>>>>>> given option misleadingly'. My view is that if we're not able to
>>>>>>>> offer a brief description which explains the option in terms
>>>>>>>> understandable to a non-lawyer (and a non-specialist in spec/IPR
>>>>>>>> management), we probably shouldn't be offering that option. Either
>>>>>>>> we should already have the skills accessible 'in-house' to come up
>>>>>>>> with such a description, or we should have the means to get one from
>>>>>>>> someone appropriate. I think that's exactly the kind of added value
>>>>>>>> the Kantara 'umbrella organisation' should be aiming to provide, in
>>>>>>>> order to attract projects which might otherwise go elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, of course, there's the matter of mitigating risk: the more
>>>>>>>> clearly people are informed about the implications of choosing one
>>>>>>>> IPR option rather than another, the less the risk that their group
>>>>>>>> will generate IPR problems down the line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yrs.,
>>>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Pinheiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How does this help a new WG choose an appropriate IPR option? My
>>>>>>>>> apologies if that's not the issue we're addressing here, but my two
>>>>>>>>> cents is that it would be useful to have some sort of "IPR Guide"
>>>>>>>>> for new WGs that would help them sort through the options.  So the
>>>>>>>>> guide could say, "If the output of this WG is technical
>>>>>>>>> specifications, these are the IPR options you can choose from, and
>>>>>>>>> here are the implications of each one." The same could be repeated
>>>>>>>>> if the output of the WG is whitepapers, or if it is software, or if
>>>>>>>>> it is something else.  Although the same IPR option could possibly
>>>>>>>>> be applicable for WGs having different types of outputs, today it's
>>>>>>>>> not always clear how the same IPR option would apply to different
>>>>>>>>> kinds of outputs.  For instance, the current Liberty Option says
>>>>>>>>> that it is applicable "for development of Technical Specifications
>>>>>>>>> or other output of a Work Group", but after that it only speaks to
>>>>>>>>> technical specifications.  So it's not clear what the Liberty
>>>>>>>>> Option means for a WG producing some other output such as
>>>>>>>>> whitepapers, for instance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another thing that also isn't clear (to me anyway) is how to choose
>>>>>>>>> an IPR option if a WG produces some combination of specifications,
>>>>>>>>> whitepapers, software, or something else.  Presumably a WG can only
>>>>>>>>> have one IPR option.  Some guidance on choosing an appropriate IPR
>>>>>>>>> for such a WG would probably be helpful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If/when that happens I'd expect the list of options to be like this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Source Code CLA: Apache 2.0
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND
>>>>>>>>>> -->[everything below this line is fiction, just to illustrate how
>>>>>>>>>> we'd grow]
>>>>>>>>>> 4) Source Code CLA: GPL
>>>>>>>>>> 5) Copyright: Kantara Initiative All Rights Reserved
>>>>>>>>>> 6) Patent & Copyright: OWFa version 0.9
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brett McDowell  |  http://info.brettmcdowell.com  |  http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> J. Trent Adams
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>>>>>>
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>>>> J. Trent Adams
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> o) 703-439-2149
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Trent Adams
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>>
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>>
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