<div dir="ltr">To you point about relationships. The Identity Relationship Management WG had its first meeting this week. I expect a healthy amount of interactions between the two WGs.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>

<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:53 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Ingo.Friese@telekom.de" target="_blank">Ingo.Friese@telekom.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hi ,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">

<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Few comments about Scott’s this Venn diagram:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">          </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I like it very much because it shows that Object IDM is not only an extension of user-IdM, it has to be addressed with new approaches <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">          </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Currently there are three circles (device, person, organization). Are there more circles possible? I guess… but these three are a good starting point for the moment<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">          </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">To me these circles are rather bubbles (I don’t know how to draw this ;-)…because the connections e.g. btw. device and person might have different  flavors<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My mobile phone (incl. its sensors) for example might be a  personal device ( I bought it private) or maybe its my personal device but paid by my company<br>

infact the relationship btw. me and the personal device then is different<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">          </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I think<b> relationships</b> play a central role in this discussion (see the NIST asset spec…Scott sent to the list)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Best Ingo<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">   <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href="mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank">dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank">dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mildner, Frank<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 12. August 2014 17:41<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sshorter@electrosoft-inc.com" target="_blank">sshorter@electrosoft-inc.com</a>; <a href="mailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank">dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org</a><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DG-IDoT] Notes from Friday call - ERM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hi Scott,<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Last Friday you introduced some ideas regarding Entity Relationship Modelling the Identities of Things.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thank you very much – for your presentation. Ingo and me have the  ERM issue in our mind for a long time.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I think your ERM is a good starting point – as you show at slide 3 and 6<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><img width="351" height="135" src="cid:image001.png@01CFB7A6.286D4E60"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">A missing key indicator in the IoT ID landscape is the information in rhomb !<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In an IoT example: a sensor – <b>belongs, is owned, scales, ……-</b> something <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I think we need rather filled/stuffed/intelligent links between objects,  instead of poor SQL links . <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I would like to start a discussion in our group  about  mechanism whereby  we can find an object based on the relationship. (rhomb in slide6)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Have a nice day – see you <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Viele Grüße / Best Regards<br>

Frank Mildner<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">DEUTSCHE TELEKOM AG</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br>

T-Labs (Research &amp; Innovation)<br>Dipl.-Ing. Frank Mildner<br>Deutsche-Telekom-Allee 7, 64295 Darmstadt<br><a href="tel:%2B4961515834747" value="+4961515834747" target="_blank">+4961515834747</a> (Tel.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%2B496151899838" value="+496151899838" target="_blank">+496151899838</a> (Fax)<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">E-Mail: <a href="mailto:frank.mildner@telekom.de" target="_blank">frank.mildner@telekom.de</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.telekom.com/" target="_blank">www.telekom.com</a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#e20074"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#e20074;text-transform:uppercase">Erleben, was verbindet.</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black;text-transform:uppercase">  <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br><b>DEUTSCHE TELEKOM AG<br></b>Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender)<br>

Vorstand: Timotheus Höttges (Vorsitzender),<br>Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Thomas Dannenfeldt,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Dr. Thomas Kremer, Claudia Nemat<br>

Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794<br>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn<br> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black;text-transform:uppercase">Grosse Veränderungen fangen klein an </span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black;text-transform:uppercase">–</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black;text-transform:uppercase"> Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail drucken.</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black;text-transform:uppercase"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href="mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank">dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a> [<a href="mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank">mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Scott Shorter<br>

<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 8. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">August 2014 17:08<br><b>An:</b> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href="mailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>

<b>Betreff:</b> [DG-IDoT] Notes from today&#39;s call<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">My quick action items:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal">

<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Here&#39;s the link to join the Kantara SDO liaison subcommittee, to participate in the email list and access the review files on the wiki: </span><a href="http://signup.kantarainitiative.org/liaison-sub-committee/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;text-decoration:none">http://signup.kantarainitiative.org/liaison-sub-committee/</span></a><u></u><u></u></li>

</ul><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">TSCP workshop: <a href="http://tscpworkshop.com/" target="_blank">http://tscpworkshop.com/</a>  I think we&#39;re participating in the &quot;securing the supply chain&quot; track<u></u><u></u></span></li>

</ul></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">My longer term action items:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline">

<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Re-visit ITU-T&#39;s OID as an namespace model in light of XRI&#39;s capabilities<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul></div><div><ul type="disc">

<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Review SCAP&#39;s Asset Identification standard (and Common Platform Enumeration (CPE), Common Vulnerability Enumeration (CVE)) as namespace models<u></u><u></u></span></li>

</ul></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Share Kantara&#39;s comments about identity proofing non-person entities from last year&#39;s comment process with the list.<u></u><u></u></span></li>

</ul></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Whew. Have a good weekend!</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Scott</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:ar;color:black">==============================================================</span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Scott Shorter, Principal Security Engineer</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><br></span><span style="font-family:&quot;Franklin Gothic Demi Cond&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#26547c">Electro</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Franklin Gothic Demi Cond&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#262626">soft </span><b><i><span style="color:black">–</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Franklin Gothic Medium&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#700015"> Fueling Customer Success Through Outstanding Value and Trust!<b><br>

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