[DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Scott Shorter sshorter at electrosoft-inc.com
Fri Feb 7 11:07:42 CST 2014


Hi all, I updated the paragraph we discussed, hope it's clearer now.


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal at idmachines.com>wrote:

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> *From:* Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal at idmachines.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 9:45 AM
> *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Andrew Hughes'
> *Cc:* 'dg-idot at kantarainitiative.org'
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> *Subject:* RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion
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> Jeff,
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> These are a limited number of examples, I picked EU, vendor (Matrikon
> (Honeywell) and Siemens ) and the IEC on purpose so as not to require a lot
> of viewing and getting some cross sections to the list from time to time.
> I am sympathetic  to the big link dump, unfun as you point out, sorry if
> this came across that way.
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> Andrew, please pass on the protégé link when it makes sense, there is also
> an attribute description there from Keith Hazelton there.
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> Ingo to your point about sensor, actuator, gateway. There are a few
> different ways this gets implemented depending on the intelligence in the
> sensor or gateway  Here are some GE, Cisco and Qualcomm pictures that look
> at this a higher and lower views (GE and Cisco up a level, Qualcomm showing
> the circuit board to support this - I attached the related cut sheet <-
> talked about this with Paul M on the list). Figured we might discuss this
> today.  Regards Sal
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> *From:* dg-idot-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [
> mailto:dg-idot-bounces at kantarainitiative.org<dg-idot-bounces at kantarainitiative.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *j stollman
> *Sent:* Monday, February 03, 2014 1:23 PM
> *To:* Andrew Hughes
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> *Cc:* dg-idot at kantarainitiative.org
> *Subject:* Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion
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> I have a request for the group.
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> I am sure that I am not unique in having very little free time to devote
> to *pro bono* activities such as IDoT.  I may be unique in being a
> particularly slow reader.  When I get a note that provides a bunch of
> links, I glaze over at the prospect of having been given a large reading
> assignment.  It would be helpful to me -- and, hopefully, to others, if
> contributors would provide some brief summary of each link so that we have
> a basis to prioritize which ones we read and which ones we don't.  I
> recognize that this adds a burden to the contributor.  But, if I am not
> alone in my perspective, it may be of overall benefit to the group.
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> Thank you.
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> Jeff
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> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me!
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> I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu
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> andrew.
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> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, <Ingo.Friese at telekom.de> wrote:
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> Hi Andrew,
> Hi Sal,
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> Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea.
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> For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g.
> http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal!
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> Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway
> But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific.
> Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology.
> On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to
> 5 terms we have to start with.
> Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT.
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> Ingo
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal at idmachines.com]
> Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15
> To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese'
> Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot at kantarainitiative.org
> Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion
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> I think I put a few of these out to the thread.  I appreciate Ingo's
> comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered
> nonetheless let's consider;
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> http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology
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> http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support
> /pages/glossary.aspx
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> http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx
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> http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html
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> IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I
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> will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki
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> and please others on list contribute.
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> Regards,
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> Sal
> From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM
> To: Ingo Friese
> Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; <Ingo.Friese at telekom.de>;
> dg-idot at kantarainitiative.org
> Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion
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> These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts
> so
> cannot comment on content. Just food for thought.
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> If these are not of use, please disregard
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> http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193
> http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf
> http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702
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> On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan
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> Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and
> publishing
> it for anyone to use?
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> I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to
> create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your
> progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable.
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> Thoughts?
> Andrew
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> On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese <ingo.friese at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> Hi Sal,
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> I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity
> concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them.
> I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff
> here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?
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> Ingo
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> > Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino"
> <sal at idmachines.com>:
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> > +1 Andrew,
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> https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w
> > ithin+the+Internet+of+Things
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> > "The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the
> Internet
> > of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different
> from
> > those in the classic web.
> >
> > Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in
> the
> > Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work
> in
> > this area without the need to define basic terms again."
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> > Agree we don't need to propose a terminology.  Trying to wean any
> > conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)
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> > So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.
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> > I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done.   (I just trimmed a
> > sentence and would like to talk more about this section).
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> > From: dg-idot-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> > [mailto:dg-idot-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Hughes
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM
> > To: Ingo.Friese at telekom.de
> > Cc: dg-idot at kantarainitiative.org
> > Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion
> >
> > Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if
> the
> > terminology discussion.
> >
> > Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups,
> I
> > am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a
> > vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.
> >
> > Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On Friday, January 31, 2014, <Ingo.Friese at telekom.de> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this
> > model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the
> > actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of
> > sensor data.
> > This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The
> > processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a
> > smartphone.
> > So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.
> >
> > A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed).
> > Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator
> an
> > the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Best,
> >                 Ingo
> >
> >
> >
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