[DG-IDoT] IDoT DG asks - Privacy and Public Policy WG

Salvatore D'Agostino sal at idmachines.com
Fri Nov 29 09:52:26 CST 2013

Great points Andre.  


So playing around with alternative paths, might this give rise to consumer
unions in the same way as credit unions?  And if so it there a possibility
of a public or free exchange to arise contrary to the way it has evolved
asymmetrically to date? 


Also, I was having a conversation with my brother in law about medical
implants to treat seizures, very roughly a pacemaker for the brain and of
course the results of the efficacy of this microshocks have value both in
the research phase and afterward.  Reselling what takes place in the brain
an IDoT context.


Happy holidays,




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Hi Andre, 


Thank you for have a look at the problem. 


Best Ingo


From: Andre Boysen [mailto:amboysen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Montag, 25. November 2013 20:04
To: Friese, Ingo
Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] IDoT DG asks - Privacy and Public Policy WG


The idea is right, but it will get lost in the details of the service the
"owner" user signed up for.


All of these devices are only useful as part of a service that provides
summary and insight for what the device is doing. Invariably the data is the
real goal of the device, not the device itself. Almost all of the IoT
devices business models are constructed to sell you back the data from the
device you have purchased. Nest, fitbit, your car, etc. Also built in to
those agreements is a trade - you give up the data in a freemium trade for
summary data back. Often there is an upsell to get more insightful
information about your device - comparative to your own timeline or to other
users of the service. In all cases, the value given to the user is very
small compared to the value received by the service the user has agreed to
join. This is due to the asymmetric nature of big data services - users have
know idea what inferences can be drawn from the data or the monetary value
to big data.



On Nov 22, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Ingo.Friese at telekom.de wrote:


Dear all,


I'm Ingo Friese working with "Kantara Identity of things working group". In
this area we got a privacy related question. I thought of asking you privacy
experts for help, opinions or guidance.


Here is the use-case:


A thing (e.g. a car) produces data. Sometimes even privacy relevant data.
(.e.g. a car could track where it was at what time).

A first (logical) attempt would be: The owner of the thing (device, car)
owns the data.


But especially in automotive industry we have cases where manufacturer
collect data and use them for statistics or additional services they offer
to the user. They act as this data were their own.

I know a manufacturer of Trucks and harvesters that sell data collected in
sensors of the harvester to the farmer. This sounds to me at least a bit


Any thoughts?


Many thanks in advance!








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