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Kantara FOO GROUP Teleconference

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  • Iain Henderson (Chair)
  • Joe Andrieu
  • Richard Baker
  • Peter Davis
  • Eve Maler
  • Mark Lizar (part)

Introductory Call


User Driven and Volunteered Personal Information (Tech), Monday 22nd July 2009

In discussing the 'Personal Data Eco-system' blig post (an entry point to the UD & VPI discussion) the group felt that it would be useful to further clarify the terminology around 'My Data', 'Your Data', 'Our Data', 'Their Data' and 'Everybody's Data'. Iain is of the view that this post is only the entry level and that much work will be done in and around this group to drill down and build out the definitions. Iain plans several follow up posts and Joe plans a drill down post on 'Our Data', differentiating between that shared by the individual, that shared by the organisation, and that co-created.

We reviewed and discussed the draft spreadsheet/ worksheet developed in the prior VPI Special Interest Group and felt it to be a useful start point - but suggested adding a column to better explain each of the capabilities in terms of what they would mean for the (car) buying intention use case. It was also suggested that a further column be added to clarify the identity assurance requirements associated with each capability area. Iain has taken an initial stab at that HERE ( ), and has moved the work from Excel onto the wiki format with space HERE ( ) for comments to be logged for processing on the sheet.

Iain mentioned that Paul Madsen had previously suggested that in order to get a 'buying intention' spec up and running we could use the ID WSF Service Interface Spec documentation (as used in other profiles, e.g. for Geo-location data). The group felt it better to begin with data schema work without pre-defining the output format.

Richard asked whether we should be investigating the role of reputation determination/ management in enabling user-driven and/ or volunteered personal information to flow. It was agreed that this was important and that we'd not yet focused on that - other than noting the issue in the set of capabilities listed in the above worksheet. We also noted the need to consider 'billing' function - again not yet focused on but included in the capabilities sheet.

We discussed whether the focus on 'Buying Intention' as the UD/ VPI type we will model first would actually require articulation of two types of scenario/ use case, one for complex purchases (e.g. buying a car) and another for less complex purchases. It was felt that this may prove the case over time, but that in working through the complex purchase scenario we may well find the simpler scenario as a sub-set.

We discussed ensuring we used language that reflected a high degree of focus (on buying intention data) and that we be clear that we are not trying to 'boil the ocean'.

We discussed the potential to have a face to face meeting of the work group at the upcoming Kantara workshop - 14th to 16th Sept in Las Vegas. Note that since the call we have been allocated room on the agenda/ venue on Wed 16th Sept (see ) . We should plan for this on upcoming calls.

Next Call: Monday 3rd August, 5.00pm UK time

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Attendee Code: 879918


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