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UMA telecon 2021-11-11

Date and Time



Roll call

  • Quorum: No

Approve minutes


The Kantara All members meeting is Dec 8th, 11-1230ET (it's virtual, link TBD)

FIDO authenticate conference recap

  • creating new authentication requirements with US Gov
    • specifically around anti-phising 
  • lots of case-studies of people implementing FIDO/"passwordless"
    • Verizon, DNC, ebay, capitalone, microsoft, visa, fb
    • deltect erp software, integrated to product 
  • blocker to adoption: user friendly recovery of lost credentials
  • cross device key sharing, backup/recovery
    • apple/google have proprietary ways to share keys between devices.
      • contentious as one FIDO premise is the key won't leave the device
  • starting to look at MDL ISO 18013-5(?), combination session with OIDF
    • there is also an AAMVA(american association of motor vehicles associations)  rfp out, includes the public key directory 
  1. Alex Weinert at Microsoft enumerated attributes of a secure authentication credential:

    • Unguessable

    • Undisclosable

    • Multi-factor

    • Single--user

    • Local

    • Uninterceptable

    • Unphishable

Interesting that "strength" isn't in the list of attributes. ie is being discussed vs what is being taken for granted/table-stakes

UP: user prescense (tap the device)
UV: user verification (pin/face rec) → unlock entire store of keys

RP decides what is required of the authenticator (UP or UV)

New FIDO Spec, Device On-board, secure provisioning of IOT devices. 

Any FIDO device users? 

Will Apple/Google be the mDL device providers of the future? Wil there be other competitors?

On going work to be done about the convenince vs security of solutions, eg with private keys that can follow between devices like how pw managers work

Other ongoing/upcoming confernces?

  • IETF meetings are happening this week
  • ISSE next week
  • East coast physical security

A lot of (US) conferences are requiring people to setup the clear pass, and provide recent/on-site tests

OAuth vs UMA content


Delegation Use Cases

Reviewed more pp2pi use-cases, broken down by objective and mapped to whther uma or uma delegation can meet the goal

Will continue this discussion next week

Report on FHIR API Vulnerabilities 

  • topic for next week, review a first draft of this report
  • Alec to take a pass and email the list when there's something more substantial to review


  • We are planning a 3 hour working session on December 9th, we will use extend the normal call from 930-1230ET 
    • Want to make progress on some of the in-progress docs, have them in a consistent state 
    • Eve, Nancy, Alec, Andi 
    • If you're up to attend, please email Alec, or leave a comment on these minutes

Topic Candidates (from previous telcons)

  • Delegation and Guardianship
  • Outcome of user stories discussion

  • PDP architecture includes the concept of governance registry/discovery

  • TOIP/SSI are starting to define this ecosystem function

  • ANCR records update

  • Privacy as Expected/ANCR update : 2/3 weeks out (Sal?)


As of October 26, 2020, quorum is 5 of 9. (Michael, Domenico, Peter, Sal, Thomas, Andi, Alec, Eve, Steve)


  1. Andi
  2. Steve
  3. Sal
  4. Alec

Non-voting participants:

  1. Joe - w/ FR IAM backgroud
  2. Scott
  3. Nancy


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