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All very good questions, and I can think of others as well.<br>
<br>
However, with the first ID-V meeting coming up July 12-13 in Kansas
City, I don't think we can wait for answers before the Kantara Trustees
decides whether it can spend $3K to support this effort.<br>
<br>
Joni, would there be any way to put this before the BoT in an email
request, and ask for their decision by the end of next week (July 2)?
If the BoT decides to support the effort, that would give someone who
agrees to represent Kantara enough notice to make travel
arrangements to attend the meeting. [Who would that person be? I'm
assuming that any such
person would be a "volunteer" and would attend the meeting at the
expense of their own organizations. I'm willing to attend and
represent Kantara, provided Kantara or someone else pays my travel
expenses.]<br>
<br>
The request wouldn't have to come from the LC (since no vote has been
taken). Could I make the request as an individual LC member?<br>
<br>
The next regular meeting of the BoT is July 8. I think that would be
too late to initiate a discussion, take a vote, and have enough time to
find a Kantara representative to attend the meeting.<br>
<br>
An alternative, if the above doesn't work, is to ask if anyone
receiving this email is already planning to attend the ID-V meeting on
behalf of their own organization. If so, perhaps that person could
agree to make a report back to the LC/BoT following the meeting, to
provide
further input to help the LC/BoT make a decision. I believe Abbie said
he might be attending.......<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/25/2010 7:30 AM, Rich Furr wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A
list
of
questions
I
have
submitted
to the Health ID Assurance Working Group chair for the
NASPO
team:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">1.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Since
this work would seem to affect all the organizations at many levels of
government (as noted in the IDSP Report some 6400 jurisdictions issuing
over
14,000 different variations of birth certificates alone), what efforts
are
being taken to include these agencies in the development effort.<span
style=""> </span>It is highly problematic, given the lack
of uptake by just the States of RealID, to consider that many of these
agencies
will adhere to any eventual standard if they do not actively
participate.<span style=""> </span>How does the development team
propose to
get around the issue of uptake and acceptance?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">2.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->According
to the IDSP report, the National Association for Public Health
Statistics and
Information Systems is<span style=""> </span>developing
security guidelines for the development and issuance of birth
certificates
(among others).<span style=""> </span>Is NAPHSI S
included or participating in this effort?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">3.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->What
is the status of the proposed rule making in support of the
Intelligence Reform
and Terrorism Prevention Act?<span style=""> </span>What
steps will be taken to ensure the results of this work do not diverge
from any
results of such a rule?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">4.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Is
this team working with NAPHSIS to converge this effort with that of the
Electronic Verification of Vital Events system?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">5.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Given
the failure of RealID, which was cited as “too prescriptive” by the
National Governors Association and other organizations and the strong
objections of the civil liberties community, how would NASPO and ANSI
suggest
the results of this effort overcome any such issues.<span style=""> </span>Also,
if
acceptance
of
the
results
are
purely voluntary, what steps might be taken to enhance uptake since
even
Federal Law in this area has largely been ignored by other non-Federal
agencies?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">6.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Are
any Federal or State agencies participating or providing funding?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style=""><span style="">7.<span
style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->According
to Section 3.4 of the IDSP Report:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">A core
project
team was formed to take the work forward under the leadership of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">North
American
Security Products Organization (NASPO), an ANSI accredited<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">standards
developing
organization,16
and
it
has
proceeded
under NASPO leadership<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">since
February
2009. The core project team includes representatives of AAMVA, the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">Coalition
for
a
Secure
Drive,
the
Colorado
Division of Motor Vehicles, DHS,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">the
General
Services Administration, NAPHSIS, and the National Institute of
Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="">and
Technology, among others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style=""> </span>Are
these
agencies/organizations
still
participating?<span style=""> </span>If
not, why not?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rich
Furr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Head
Global
Regulatory
Affairs
and
Compliance
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: red;">New
Office:<span style=""> </span>980-236-7576<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cell:
201-220-0160<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div
style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org">lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org">mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Colin
Wallis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kantara Leadership Council Kantara; Staff list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [KI-LC] Kantara Support For A National Identity
Verification
Standard??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ">Ah yes I remember these IDSP docs now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ">What they may end up with is something that resembles
parts of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_url/resource-material-evidence-of-identity-standard-index">NZ
Gov's</a> or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cio.gov.bc.ca/local/cio/standards/documents/standards/evidence_of_identity_standard.pdf">BC
Canada's</a> (borrowed from/newer/better than ours) Evidence of
Identity
Standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ">You add to this, a document recognition handbook
(along with training of course) for agency front counter staff to
detect fake
or tampered-with breeder docs and you begin to have something
resembling a
consistent approach/process/system of identity proofing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ">Colin <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div
style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> John
Bradley
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jbradley@mac.com">mailto:jbradley@mac.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 25 June 2010 1:43 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Joni Brennan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Colin Wallis; Kantara Leadership Council Kantara; Staff
list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [KI-LC] Kantara Support For A National Identity
Verification Standard??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Looking at
their call for participation they restrict the $1,000 level to only
non-profit
Organizations not representing ANY industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">I suspect
they will consider Kantara a trade organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">This seems
to be a very US specific peace of work to secure Birth certificates,
Drivers
Licences and Social Security Cards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">This link
provides some background on ANSI's findings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://webstore.ansi.org/identitytheft/">http://webstore.ansi.org/identitytheft/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">This looks
to be a larger project than RealID involving multiple levels of
Government.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">I would
want to better understand how the GSA, HHS and other government
organizations
who would be required to implement this are participating, and if it
stands any
chance of getting further the RealID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">They do
have a point that in large measure the breeder documents DL, SSN, and
Birth
Certificate we recommend in the IAF are relatively easy to acquire
fraudulently. That's why other countries have NationalID issued at
birth. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">I am
cautious, this could be a lot of work that may not get taken up for
political
reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">I do think
it would be a good idea to have appropriate guidance on breeder
documents
per jurisdiction for people participating in the IAF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">John B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">On
2010-06-24, at 6:29 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ">Kantara Initiative has 501 c6 Tax Status as a
Program of the IEEE-ISTO. As such we are a non-profit organization and
the exact category is classified as 'Business League'. We of course
have
the documents to prove the above and have done so for various other
activities. Given that Kantara Initiative would fall in to the 1k cost
to
participate. So at least there's some clarity for you there. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">On Thu, Jun
24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Colin Wallis <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Colin.Wallis@dia.govt.nz">Colin.Wallis@dia.govt.nz</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Thanks Bob</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Some comments
inline after further thought following the LC call.</span><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Cheers</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Colin</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Bob
Pinheiro [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kantara@bobpinheiro.com" target="_blank">kantara@bobpinheiro.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 22 June 2010 3:54 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Colin Wallis<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kantara Leadership Council Kantara; Kantara Staff list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [KI-LC] Kantara Support For A National Identity
Verification Standard??</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Colin,<br>
<br>
If I'm not mistaken, OMB0404 only addresses the four assurance levels;
it's
NIST 800-63 that specifies criteria for identity proofing at the
various
assurance levels. But that document was strictly intended only for US
government relying parties. There has been discussion in IAWG about
how
to do identity proofing when different jurisdictions are involved, so I
guess
there really is no standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ"><<CW: Well, I
think you characterize OMB0404 a little too simply, since the approach
to risk
is the fundamental basis that drives the subsequent identity proofing
and
credential issuance/usage processes, but no matter. And while you are
technically correct regards NIST, I would contend that is has become a
de facto
standard, since so many other jurisdictions have copied it or have
profiled
it. I am really pleased IAWG has had the discussion about Id proofing
when different jurisdictions are involved because they are absolutely
right. No
pan jurisdiction federation can take place until there is sufficient
trust
amongst governments that their respective identity proofing processes
are up to
scratch. So while the eGov WG has the eGov Profile for SAML
sufficiently
constrained to see pan jurisdiction federation possible at the interop
level <b><i>technically</i></b>,
it may languish for some years waiting for the ID proofing process side
to
catch up, because id proofing becomes the weakest link in the
chain.>>
</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><br>
I understand that the goal is to develop an ANSI standard for identity
verification, but there may also be much international interest as
well.
Whether that would translate into a further effort to develop some sort
of
international standard, I can't say.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ"><<CW: It
certainly is a worthy goal, but international adoption/interest may be
better
achieved by using an international forum in which to develop it. And
let's not kid ourselves. It will be darn difficult because different
jurisdictions have different breeder/authoritative documents. But with
sufficient mapping, it may be possible. So if ANSI is going to start
with
the US situation and US breeder docs but later move to an international
stage,
it needs to structure the standard such that it is flexible to include
a
different set of breeder docs from a different jurisdiction>>. </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><br>
An organization can be a Sponsor at a cost of $25K per year (with no
obligation
to actually participate in the development of any standard), or can be
a
participating member expected to contribute to the work effort. For
that
level of commitment, I don't know if NASPO would consider KI to be a
non-profit
at $1000 per year, or a trade association at $3000 per year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><<CW:
Not my call but KI's 501C 6 status should help>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><br>
One of the motivations for this effort is the US government's (newly
renamed)
National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace. It's hard to
see
how you can have a "trusted identity" online without some
standardized way to verify someone's identity in the first place. On
the
other hand, I can see where someone's "identity" may mean different
things to different types of relying parties, which may also imply
different
trust frameworks for different "trust communities."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ"><<CW: All true, and I agree with
everything you say here>>.<br>
Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><<CW:
So KI is left in an
interesting position. In an ideal world, it would be better to bring
the
work to KI, or OASIS or ISO..where it is (more) politically neutral
(you recall
that this is what we said in our comments to the White House in the
NSTIC).
So to support this effort in NASPO, we are actually <b>not supporting
our
stated position</b>. On the other hand, it may be perceived as churlish
not to
support the effort in NASPO, especially if we think the effort will
succeed,
and the outputs from this standard find their way into the IAF in
future in
some way shape or form. In which case we are cutting off our nose
despite
our face by not supporting it. Decisions decisions….>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Colin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><br>
On 6/21/2010 6:23 PM, Colin Wallis wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Thanks Bob</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">A couple of thoughts
to start us off with..</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">1) Is there really
no standard in the US for this? For the NZ government's Evidence of
Identity standard, we relied heavily on the US Gov's OMB M 04 04. I
guess one
could say that's not a standard but…</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">2) I can see how
there is a gap, in the sense that the identity proofing process in the
IAF and
indeed in the proposed ISO 29115 are kind of deployment profiles of
this
standard, if it were manifested…</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">3) Given KI is a
global organisation, are we comfortable that we are not creating a
precedent
that will be impossible to continue with, (the flip side being that
there is a
large US influence in the IAF and 29115 so it is a worthy exception) </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">4) Without trying
to pre-empt or pre judge any decision, is it your sense that KI might
want to
participate as a non-profit at $1,000 per annum?</span><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Cheers</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Colin</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span
style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org" target="_blank"><span
style="color: black;">lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</span></a> [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org"
target="_blank"><span style="color: black;">mailto:lc-bounces@kantarainitiative.org</span></a>]
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Bob Pinheiro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 22 June 2010 9:52 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Kantara Leadership Council Kantara<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kantara Staff list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [KI-LC] Kantara Support For A National Identity
Verification
Standard??</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ">As part of my efforts to determine
whether there's any external interest in the Consumer Identity WG's
project
plan, I recently spoke with Tom Lockwood, who is one of the drivers of
the
government's National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace,
and Graham
Whitehead of NASPO. You may have seen the email and attached Call for
Participation from ANSI IDSP (below), announcing that NASPO is
commencing
development of an American National Standard for Identity Verification.<br>
<br>
The need for a standardized identity verification/proofing process is
well
known, and Tom mentioned that several people associated with Kantara
(Brett,
when he was ED, and Frank V. on behalf of IAWG) expressed to him that
Kantara
supports such an effort. Others as well, in particular members of the
financial services community, have also expressed interest.<br>
<br>
However, the reality is that NASPO will not be able to pursue this work
unless
it can secure adequate funding, and also recruit enough "warm bodies"
to actually participate in the effort. Since there was some expression
of
interest and support by Kantara participants/members, I volunteered to
find out
whether this might translate into financial support, and whether anyone
representing Kantara might want to participate in the actual
development of the
identity verification standard.<br>
<br>
The attached Call for Participation describes the various levels of
financial
support that is being requested. I'd like to propose that the question
of
whether Kantara can provide financial support for the development of an
identity verification standard by NASPO be submitted to the Board of
Trustees
for their consideration.<br>
<br>
Although I'm specifically addressing possible financial support by
Kantara,
NASPO would certainly be grateful for a commitment of financial support
and
participation by any other organization as well, including individual
Kantara
member organizations. <br>
<br>
As noted below, an initial meeting of those making a commitment to this
effort
is planned for July 12-13 in Kansas City. So if there is any
possibility
that Kantara might be able to contribute to this effort, the BoT should
probably take up this matter fairly soon. <br>
<br>
Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">---------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Bob Pinheiro<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">Chair, Consumer Identity WG<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ">908-654-1939<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<pre><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">ID-V Standard Kick-Off Meeting
& Call for Participation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:10:03 -0400<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;" align="right"><b>From:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">James McCabe <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmccabe@ANSI.ORG" target="_blank"><jmccabe@ANSI.ORG></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">James McCabe <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmccabe@ANSI.ORG" target="_blank"><jmccabe@ANSI.ORG></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;" align="right"><b>To:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IDSP@MAILLIST.ANSI.ORG" target="_blank">IDSP@MAILLIST.ANSI.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Dear IDSP
participants,<br>
<br>
The purpose of this eMail is to let you know that a meeting to commence
development of a national identity verification standard will take
place on July
12 and 13, 2010 in Kansas City. The meeting will start at 1:00pm on
Monday July
12 and end on Tuesday July 13 at 4:30pm. The meeting will be held in
Pavilion 3
at the :-<br>
<br>
InterContinental Kansas City at the Plaza<br>
401 Ward Parkway<br>
Kansas City, MO<br>
64112<br>
<br>
A block of rooms has been reserved at the hotel for the nights Sunday,
July 11
through to Wednesday July 14, at a rate of $139.00 per night.<br>
<br>
To make your reservation please call toll free 866 856 9717 and
reference the
NASPO rate (<b>NAS</b>), or you can book online at <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.kansascityic.com/"
target="_blank">www.kansascityic.com</a>
<<u><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.kansascityic.com/"
target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;">http://www.kansascityic.com</span></a></u>>
and
use
the
code
<b>NAS</b>.<br>
<br>
Hotel reservations should be made on or before <b>June 21, 2010</b>
after which time rooms will be released for general reservations. More
information about the hotel can be found at<u> <span
style="color: blue;">http//:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kansascityic.com/" target="_blank">www.kansascityic.com</a><br>
</span><br>
</u>The required fee for participation in the development of this
standard is
detailed in the attached “ID-V Call for Participation”document.
Individuals and organizations who wish to participate in the
development
process and attend this first meeting, must register to participate and
commit
to payment of the participation fee in advance of attendance at the
meeting.
Opportunities to benefit from the payment of a sponsorship fee are
also
detailed in the attachment.<br>
<br>
For further information please contact :-<br>
<br>
Ann Whitehead<br>
NASPO Administrator<br>
Tel: (604) 921-9196<br>
eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:naspo@telus.net">naspo@telus.net</a></span><span style=""
lang="EN-NZ"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-NZ">Best
regards,</span><span style="" lang="EN-NZ"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-NZ">Jim McCabe<br>
Senior Director, Consumer Relations and IDSP<br>
<b>American National Standards Institute<br>
</b>25 West 43<sup>rd</sup> Street, 4<sup>th</sup> Floor<br>
New York, NY 10036 U.S.A.<br>
1-212-642-8921; Fax: 1-212-840-2298<br>
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