[KI-LC] Fwd: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW
Eve Maler
eve at xmlgrrl.com
Thu Oct 29 11:56:16 EDT 2009
This softened version looks great, though it will cause chairs to ask
next: What constitutes a contribution of unlicensed IP? Would
scenarios and use cases (problem-space descriptions) carry IP, or
not? I assume critiques of spec text and suggested revisions would.
Eve
On 29 Oct 2009, at 4:24 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
> Attached is a redline with some suggested changes that emphasize the
> scenario of letting folks participate in the meeting even without
> signing a GPA. I do not believe we must require them to either sign
> the GPA or be 100% silent in the meeting. The only thing we are
> trying to prevent with this process is someone (knowingly or
> unknowingly) "submarining" unlicensed IP into the WG's output.
> There is a lot of opportunity for discussion participation in a
> meeting that doesn't come close to making an IP contribution to a
> work product. I tried to emphasize that in this revision.
> <Kantara F2F participation policy v2_redline.doc>
> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com | http://KantaraInitiative.org
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:07 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>> Eve et al. -
>>
>> Following this thread, I've attached the proposed procedure
>> document for
>> handling events like the UMA meeting before IIW next week.
>>
>> Give it a read and see if you spot any issues needing to be
>> addressed.
>> Otherwise, it'd be great to feed Eve's reaction post-event into it
>> so we
>> can create a process doc for the wiki.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> - Trent
>>
>>
>> Eve Maler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> *From: *Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>>
>>>> *Date: *28 October 2009 12:37:18 PM PDT
>>>> *To: *"Dervla O'Reilly" <dervla at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> <mailto:dervla at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>>> *Cc: *Kantara Staff list <staff at kantarainitiative.org
>>>> <mailto:staff at kantarainitiative.org>>
>>>> *Subject: **Re: [Staff] UMA F2F before IIW*
>>>>
>>>> Great to know! In case this is of interest as "pre-feedback"
>>>> before
>>>> having seen the written guidance, here is what I've done to
>>>> prepare.
>>>>
>>>> - We're not anticipating a lot of walkups due to the nature,
>>>> timing,
>>>> and location of the meeting. I'll blog it ahead of time (tomorrow)
>>>> and ask anyone who's thinking of attending to get in touch ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> - I therefore haven't made a sign, but will watch carefully, in my
>>>> chair role, to ensure that I can positively identify every attendee
>>>> and put them into buckets: existing participant, new participant
>>>> who
>>>> has signed in some fashion, or new person who has agreed to
>>>> remain a
>>>> silent observer.
>>>>
>>>> - I doctored the document you sent me with the following
>>>> handwritten
>>>> notations, and will make a few Xerox copies ahead of time:
>>>> . Page 1: I gave it a headline of *IPR "Liberty Option"* and also
>>>> wrote that it *Applies to participation in Kantara User-Managed
>>>> Access WG*
>>>> . Page 5 (last page): I added fields as follows (I still don't like
>>>> "active" vs. "observer" for the voting/non-voting distinction, and
>>>> thus haven't used those words! what would I call true passive
>>>> observers, then?...):
>>>> - EMAIL FOR LIST SUBSCRIPTION: __________
>>>> - PARTICIPATION LENGTH: [ ] ONGOING [ ] TODAY ONLY
>>>> - PARTICIPATION STATUS: [ ] VOTING [ ] NON-VOTING
>>>>
>>>> - I printed out the current KI membership roster to have on hand (I
>>>> don't currently have the names of the primary reps, though)
>>>>
>>>> - Finally, I printed out some supporting materials to have on
>>>> hand in
>>>> case anyone wants chapter and verse:
>>>> . The online "Join This Group" page
>>>> . The charter for the group
>>>> . The IPR Options page
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if I'm missing anything. Thanks...
>>>>
>>>> Eve
>>>>
>>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 12:00 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I sent my guidance draft to Roger and Trent, hope to have that
>>>>> turned around shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Dervla
>>>>> ________________________
>>>>> Dervla O’Reilly
>>>>> Event & Membership Manager
>>>>> Kantara Initiative
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>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to ask Dervla to take the lead on drafting that guidance
>>>>>> page (Dervla, can you take that on before IIW?). We'll get
>>>>>> review
>>>>>> from Trent and Roger S. (as reps from the "two houses") and then
>>>>>> promote it as "policy".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>>>> <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> | http://kantarainitiative.org
>>>>>> <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>>>> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point! It sounds like we have enough material here for a
>>>>>> guidance page on the wiki. :-) Anyone up for that?... With IIW
>>>>>> coming and other conferences ahead, ad hoc KI group meetings
>>>>>> are sure to follow, so guidance would be good to have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Oct 2009, at 8:14 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And there's one more important point I don't see being
>>>>>>> discussed... remember in Las Vegas we had those little
>>>>>>> stickers? (don't worry, I'm not suggesting stickers) I want
>>>>>>> to remind everyone why we had the stickers. It was so the
>>>>>>> Chair knew who was in the room who HAD NOT SIGNED any GPA or
>>>>>>> IPR agreement. In other words, it's TOTALLY FINE to have
>>>>>>> folks in the meeting who have signed nothing. The only caveat
>>>>>>> is the Chair needs to be mindful of those folks and exercise
>>>>>>> their professional judgement to disallow them from
>>>>>>> contributing what would be un-licensed (and perhaps
>>>>>>> un-licensable) IPR into the groups' output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>>> If you get attendees who are not members I would also like to
>>>>>>> know so I can follow-up with them and start a recruiting
>>>>>>> effort to bring them onboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>>>>>> <http://info.brettmcdowell.com/> |
>>>>>>> http://kantarainitiative.org <http://kantarainitiative.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eve Maler <eve at xmlgrrl.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! In this case, maybe that list of primary members
>>>>>>> would be helpful, just in case. But honestly, I don't
>>>>>>> anticipate a lot of walkups since the IIW conference isn't
>>>>>>> going on that day. (I'll get the word out to the community
>>>>>>> that contacting me first is a good idea for new people.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, at 6:41 PM, Joni Brennan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Eve Maler
>>>>>>>> <eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, this document is just the "Option Liberty" text,
>>>>>>>> is that right?
>>>>>>>> Cool. And I assume I can also mark on the form (or
>>>>>>>> simply ask them)
>>>>>>>> whether they want to be a voting ("active") or
>>>>>>>> non-voting ("observer")
>>>>>>>> participant going forward?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not on the form Derv sent so yes you can ask them
>>>>>>>> and mark it down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If anyone whose company is a KI member but isn't yet
>>>>>>>> a participant
>>>>>>>> shows up, do I have to actually call their primary
>>>>>>>> member person
>>>>>>>> before I can let them in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if their company is a KI member and even if they are
>>>>>>>> already in other groups we need the primary authority for
>>>>>>>> any new group joined. Yes, and they should be able to
>>>>>>>> make that call for you - while you are with them I
>>>>>>>> suppose. That's how we did a few in LV. If you know of
>>>>>>>> any ahead of time that will help so maybe Dervla can
>>>>>>>> reach out to them before the event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS - we also used some judgement like for Gael who could
>>>>>>>> not reach Aude in France. We let him sign and got the
>>>>>>>> approval afterward. It's most important that they sign
>>>>>>>> if they want to join the group or if they want to
>>>>>>>> contribute IP. If they just want to be in the room I
>>>>>>>> would not force signing upon them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they are not members of KI already then they can self
>>>>>>>> assert their own authority to sign. I know this is going
>>>>>>>> to be a great event for you guys =).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thx!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, at 4:23 PM, Dervla O'Reilly wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great stuff!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can make note of the attendance and share
>>>>>>>> with me, that would
>>>>>>>>> be terrific.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Newcomers who have not already signed the GPA and
>>>>>>>> are not members
>>>>>>>>> will need to sign the attached file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see you have a potential attendees list. For
>>>>>>>> those newcomers to
>>>>>>>>> your group who are already members, you will need
>>>>>>>> to reach the
>>>>>>>>> primary contact of that member company. I can send
>>>>>>>> you the primary
>>>>>>>>> member list if you wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I think we're good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dervla
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> <KANTARA INITIATIVE IPR>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You'll probably want to have reference to the
>>>>>>>> primary contact
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks-- My UMA group is planning to hold a F2F
>>>>>>>> meeting at the
>>>>>>>>>> Computer History Museum on Monday afternoon, 2 Nov
>>>>>>>> 2009; the IIW
>>>>>>>>>> organizers kindly agreed we could meet on-site
>>>>>>>> that day. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>> to provide a sign and a signup sheet to manage the
>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> participation
>>>>>>>>>> agreement aspects. Is there anything else I need
>>>>>>>> to do? Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Joni Brennan
>>>>>>>> IEEE-ISTO
>>>>>>>> Kantara Initiative
>>>>>>>> Director of Technology Programs
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eve Maler
>>>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eve Maler
>>>> eve at xmlgrrl.com <mailto:eve at xmlgrrl.com>
>>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eve Maler
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>>> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog
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>>
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