[KI-LC] [BoT] Proposed Change to the Intellectual Property Rights Policy
Brett McDowell
email at brettmcdowell.com
Tue Nov 17 13:08:28 EST 2009
+1 to forming a committee to work on #2, but that doesn't need to hold-up the IPR Policy revision does it?
Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com | http://KantaraInitiative.org
On Nov 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
> Brett -
>
> There are two questions we need to answer:
>
> 1. Is this list, as presented, ready for the BoT?
>
> 2. Is there something additional along the lines
> of what Bob and others mentioned that we
> should nail down (e.g. an IPR guide)?
>
> Even if we have consensus on (1), we may still want to form a committee
> to work on (2)... unless no one's interested enough to take on the work.
>
> - Trent
>
>
> Brett McDowell wrote:
>> Maybe our emails passed each other in the ether. I think we might be done. Does anyone on LC object to the following re-naming that seems to have a consensus? If not, I'm happy to put it before the Board this Thursday or adoption:
>>
>> 1) Source Code CLA: Apache 2.0
>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND
>>
>>
>>
>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com | http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
>>
>>
>>> All -
>>>
>>> It sounds like we're not ready for the BoT to approve an approach, but
>>> that there's a lot of interest in following this up.
>>>
>>> I propose forming a special committee of the LC to bring this idea home.
>>> Otherwise, I fear we'll talk about this some more but it'll never come
>>> to fruition as everyone expects someone else to be doing it.
>>>
>>> Anyone willing to volunteer to lead the effort (Bob)? Assuming someone
>>> can herd the troops, I'm guessing you'd receive willing participation
>>> from Iain, Robin, and Eve to help flesh out an action plan. I assume
>>> that Brett and his merry band of staffers would also be interested in
>>> spending some time to help bring it home.
>>>
>>> Anyone willing volunteers to sit on the committee?
>>>
>>> - Trent
>>>
>>>
>>> Iain Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> agreed
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Nov 2009, at 08:40, Robin Wilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think Bob has a point. If the list of options is to double in
>>>>> size, it becomes all the more important to give some indication of
>>>>> what the implications are of choosing a given alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should bear in mind that people setting up a WG/DG are doing so
>>>>> for some purpose other than to spend time reading up on copyright
>>>>> law... and (with all respect to Conor) we explicitly expect some
>>>>> groups to be set up by people who don't have a legal team to refer
>>>>> to when making their choice. I note the comment that 'adding a brief
>>>>> description may put Kantara at risk of being accused of describing a
>>>>> given option misleadingly'. My view is that if we're not able to
>>>>> offer a brief description which explains the option in terms
>>>>> understandable to a non-lawyer (and a non-specialist in spec/IPR
>>>>> management), we probably shouldn't be offering that option. Either
>>>>> we should already have the skills accessible 'in-house' to come up
>>>>> with such a description, or we should have the means to get one from
>>>>> someone appropriate. I think that's exactly the kind of added value
>>>>> the Kantara 'umbrella organisation' should be aiming to provide, in
>>>>> order to attract projects which might otherwise go elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, of course, there's the matter of mitigating risk: the more
>>>>> clearly people are informed about the implications of choosing one
>>>>> IPR option rather than another, the less the risk that their group
>>>>> will generate IPR problems down the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yrs.,
>>>>> Robin
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Pinheiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How does this help a new WG choose an appropriate IPR option? My
>>>>>> apologies if that's not the issue we're addressing here, but my two
>>>>>> cents is that it would be useful to have some sort of "IPR Guide"
>>>>>> for new WGs that would help them sort through the options. So the
>>>>>> guide could say, "If the output of this WG is technical
>>>>>> specifications, these are the IPR options you can choose from, and
>>>>>> here are the implications of each one." The same could be repeated
>>>>>> if the output of the WG is whitepapers, or if it is software, or if
>>>>>> it is something else. Although the same IPR option could possibly
>>>>>> be applicable for WGs having different types of outputs, today it's
>>>>>> not always clear how the same IPR option would apply to different
>>>>>> kinds of outputs. For instance, the current Liberty Option says
>>>>>> that it is applicable "for development of Technical Specifications
>>>>>> or other output of a Work Group", but after that it only speaks to
>>>>>> technical specifications. So it's not clear what the Liberty
>>>>>> Option means for a WG producing some other output such as
>>>>>> whitepapers, for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another thing that also isn't clear (to me anyway) is how to choose
>>>>>> an IPR option if a WG produces some combination of specifications,
>>>>>> whitepapers, software, or something else. Presumably a WG can only
>>>>>> have one IPR option. Some guidance on choosing an appropriate IPR
>>>>>> for such a WG would probably be helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett McDowell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If/when that happens I'd expect the list of options to be like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Source Code CLA: Apache 2.0
>>>>>>> 2) Copyright: CC Share Alike with Attribution
>>>>>>> 3) Patent & Copyright: Reciprocal Royalty Free with Opt-Out to RAND
>>>>>>> -->[everything below this line is fiction, just to illustrate how
>>>>>>> we'd grow]
>>>>>>> 4) Source Code CLA: GPL
>>>>>>> 5) Copyright: Kantara Initiative All Rights Reserved
>>>>>>> 6) Patent & Copyright: OWFa version 0.9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brett McDowell | http://info.brettmcdowell.com | http://KantaraInitiative.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Eve Maler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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