[KI-LC] Proposer Names Requirement in WG Charters

Thu Jun 11 11:12:32 PDT 2009

Some additional notes regarding the mail server and archiving tools

We use mailman for list management.  Mailman has it's own archive display
which renders email addresses linked in this format - example: britta at
projectliberty.org   When you click on that link it gives back the list
address in the 'to' field - not Britta's actual address.

Additionally, we have deployed google group email archives for each list as
a supplemental offering since it's a more dynamic tool. The google group
archives allow a person to view the email address but only after filling in
a captcha field.

So while the emails do display in some form in both archive tools, they both
have a basic layer of protection against spam bots.

Finally, all of the basic protection described is negated if you send mail
to a list and it has your email address in the signature. (For me this is
the case - so I rely on spam filters and have not had too many problems
related to this.)

I hope the context is helpful for users to understand how the email
addresses render in the archives.

cheers,

Joni

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Drummond Reed
<drummond.reed at cordance.net>wrote:

>  I am a big supporter of contact links (also called contact page), and
> will note that they can be provided for any URL, not just XRI i-names.
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> That said, having reviewed Trent’s messages, it’s clear than an email
> address is eventually necessary for registration with the DG/WG mail server.
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> I am disturbed that email addresses are then made public via the list
> archives. OASIS employes list archives that remove the email addresses from
> the archives. Can’t Kantara do that?
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> =Drummond
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> *From:* lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org [mailto:
> lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Iain Henderson
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:56 AM
> *To:* Bob Pinheiro
> *Cc:* LC at kantarainitiative.org; Eve Maler
> *Subject:* Re: [KI-LC] Proposer Names Requirement in WG Charters
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> yes, i'd tend to agree that posting e-mail addresses on a public web site
> should not be mandatory.
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> Perhaps we should all get i-names and a contact link<http://xri.net/=iain>
> ?????
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> Regards
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> Iain
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> Iain
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> On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:37, Bob Pinheiro wrote:
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>  Posting one's email address on a public website may perhaps be a
> sensitive issue for some.  Even though our Proposers know that their names
> and affiliations will be listed in the charters, I don't think that
> necessarily means that Proposers realize that their email addresses would be
> listed as well.  Of course, the Chairs of each WG could go back and ask
> permission.  I'm not sure we should just go ahead and post these email
> addresses without permission.
>
> But why are the email addresses of Proposers needed at all?  I note that
> the email addresses of the members of the Board of Trustees are not posted.
>  I don't have any problem, as a WG Chair, with my email address being
> posted.  But I think we should be sensitive to the potential privacy
> concerns of others who agree to participate in these WGs.  If someone who
> views one of the charters wants to contact any of the Proposers, that person
> can always go through the WG Chair to make contact.
> So I would suggest we have a discussion about whether listing email
> addresses of our Proposers is really necessary.  We may want to consider
> amending the Operating Procedures, depending on the outcome.
>
> Does anyone else think this is an issue?
>
> Bob Pinheiro
>
> J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
>  All -
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>  Following our discussion on the LC call yesterday (minutes coming), we
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>  touched on the required form that WG proposer names need to take in the
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>  charter.
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>  For reference, here's the salient line from section 3.1 of the KI
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>  Operating Procedure [1] indicating what's required:
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>  -----
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>  11) Names, email addresses, and any constituent affiliations of at least
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>  the minimum set of proposers required to support forming the WG;
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>  -----
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>  For WGs, the minimum set of proposers is outlined earlier in section 3.1
> as:
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>
>
>  -----
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>  three (3) or more proposed Participants of the WG, at least two (2) of
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>  whom shall be Members.
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>  -----
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>  Please let me know if anyone would like to consider changing the
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>  Operating Procedure relating to this requirement.
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>  Otherwise, please review your own charters and send any missing details
>
>  to the LC Secretary, Eve Maler (Eve.Maler at Sun.COM), and KI Staff
>
>  Support, Joni Brennan (joni at ieee-isto.org).  They will update the
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>  charters on their respective wiki pages.
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>  Immediate action is required by:
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>  * Iain Henderson for the User Driven Volunteered Personal Information
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>  Tech WG (UDVPI-Tech) - need email addresses and affiliations of
> proposers.
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>  * Philippe Clement for the proposed Identity Provider Selector Work
>
>  Group (IdP Selector WG) - need affiliations for the proposers.
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>  * Robin Wilton for the proposed Privacy and Public Policy Work Group
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>  (P3WG) - need email addresses for the proposers.
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>  I apologize for the earlier oversight of this requirement when we
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>  initially vetted their charters.  I trust now that it's been raised to
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>  everyone's awareness, though, we'll be more vigilant in the future.
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>  Thanks for your help,
>
>  Trent
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>  [1]
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> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/2293776/Kantara+Initiative+Operating+Procedures+_V1.0_+2009-04-03.pdf?version=1
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